Feb 4, 2020 you’re being hysterical. no one compared this to jim crow. my point is that the history — including very recent modern history — of american elections includes staggering amounts of corruption, tampering, suppression, and incompetence of all kinds. some is as sinister as jim crow and poll taxes and purging voter rolls and some is as stupid as defective voting machines. all i’m saying is that you reflexively shutting down anyone’s suspicions is... naive.
Feb 4, 2020 i don’t think there’s any proof that it is i’m just responding with a claim that’s equally valid as andy’s claim that this is the fault of the sanders campaign pushing for rule changes lol
Feb 4, 2020 I hope you fall in line when Bernie wins the nomination, @Papa Alpha Andy. You have no self awareness and don’t realize your smugness turns people away from leftist politics. You’re part of why Trump won. Center left, status quo defenders who shame anti-establishment candidates and their followers. That isn’t palatable to your average working class voter. You turn folks away with your smug, dismissive attitude. That’s the total opposite of Bernie’s campaign. We welcome disenfranchised Trump voters from the rust belt, people who are fed up with the system and fuckery of the DNC. We don’t shame them and defend the status quo.
Feb 4, 2020 on the contrary. check your assumptions lol. well you said it, not me. parse it out sure but thats two WILDLY different things. THAT kind of grouping is hysterical.
Feb 4, 2020 i already have said i would, you dope lol. will you when biden does? edit: guys, i hope im wrong here. but i dont think bernie is 'viable' in the general election. maybe he will be and im off base. i challenge my assumptions....... unlike this clod, who appears to be an automated Bernie Bot lmaooooo. mad bc all you can do to refute my points is random tweets, bernie propaganda and insults. i mean, iowa was always going to be bad. lol. but now its a wash.
Feb 4, 2020 literally trump's message in 2016. framing economic discontent with larger and self serving political conspiracy. but i also reject this premise -- biden has a singular message for working class voters. polls, actual data support this lol.
Feb 4, 2020 its not. its 'lets send those canadian hockey lovers back to the tundra' anyways back to reality: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/19/us/politics/joe-biden-working-class.html
Feb 4, 2020 Is your reading of Bernie’s base really that they don’t shame people with different views? Really? And you have the gall to question someone else’s self awareness? I have a Twitter account and I’ve seen the vitriol aimed at....say, Elizabeth Warren, who dares to disagree on what - 4 or 5% of Bernie’s policy positions? At most... Bernie’s base is open and accepting of new people, absolutely, as long as you admit that Bernie is the smartest, and the most electable, and the most pure, and he’s been that way for the longest time, and also he’s the cutest. If you’re like Andy and me, who will support a Bernie nomination but have concerns about his viability, well kindly go f--- yrself pal, you’re what’s wrong with the Democratic Party!!!
Feb 4, 2020 Lol, his working class mantra has all been a ruse and the more information that comes out about how much of a fraud he has been for 40 years, the more he loses support. C’mon man! You’re posting malarkey.
Feb 4, 2020 LOL - honestly, what the f--- are you on about. (::in before he starts babbling about how as Senator Biden, ya know, supported **gasp** corporate clients providing economic development in his state:: )
Feb 4, 2020 We shame establishment defending goons like Hillary and her followers who tell us to shut up and fall in line for the sake of party unity. The centrist model is a failure and we constantly point it out and back it up with evidence. We’re not playing nice anymore. If you want to defeat Trump, unite behind us. Warren showed her true colors and has bent her knee to the DNC and establishment. She turned her back on Bernie and the progressive movement. She would definitely cater to the establishment if she were President. She’s not a fighter like Bernie. Is me saying that being too toxic? Ha!
Feb 4, 2020 yes. obviously. lets not conflate bernie's rhetoric or aspirations with him automatically being the best champion ffs. clearly his aim to uproot the middle class too, but bernies lofty ideas are driven more by appealing to fellow activists. they may be working class themselves but thats an important distinction. and honestly - framing the debate this way is soooooo putting the cart before the horse. we need a candidate who will simply appeal to voters in 3-4 states. thats the only goal that matters until nov
Feb 4, 2020 After this unifying message (which is, to recap, and I’m paraphrasing here: follow my instructions or forever be a piece of s---), consider me unified! I think I have a tear in my eye
Feb 4, 2020 That’s exactly how the Democratic Party and their loyalists have been treating leftists and the policies we support for years. We’re going to flip that. Want to defeat Trump? Fall in line! Losing 1,000 seats under centrism leader and losing 2016 were huge fails. These losers are still telling leftists to shut up and be realistic lol. Time for centrists to fall in line if they want to win. If not, join the Republican Party.
