May 30, 2020

Yes

 

May 30, 2020

^ ahem

 

May 30, 2020

Goal post change. The question was on why there’s no middle ground on supporting flat out rioting/destroying a city lol. I offered a few alternatives and questioned why u refuse to acknowledge any nuance, ever. The Only Choice is Supporting vigilantism ? Pls. Privilege alert. Our whole discussion has been me supplying rationale response after rational response (examples included) and ur whole stance is “no dad! Punk rock is changing the world!”

Check our exchange and my post history. I’m not doing your work for u this isn’t UBC!

 

May 30, 2020

Yes because what are we protesting? The merits are what?

 

May 30, 2020

What is the point of this protest? Is it the injustice of black ppl? Or is it financial?

 

May 30, 2020

no such things as half way crooks, Che Guevara. We see you browbeating , cosplaying revolution and pontificating when ur likely one of the most financially set up of any of us lmao

 

May 30, 2020

Meh, Target’s next truck comes on Tuesday, they’ll restock even if the shelves are reduced to smoldering piles of ash.

 

May 30, 2020

no, this has literally always been my line of argument. unless you want to admit that you are being...

...purely theoretical and not living at all in the real world.

it's not surprising that you're totally out of your depth here; you've said many times that you think community activism and organizing is bs. you don't go out to these things, you have no understanding of how they work, you don't see the way cops escalate situations as standard operating procedure. there is no switch that protesters get together and flip to "RIOT." it's a combination of things naturally boiling over and being exacerbated by cops and outside bad actors.

this, as i said last night, should be painfully obvious to anyone looking at the situation objectively. the credulity required to to take police and major news accounts at their word is staggering. you saw them arrest cnn reporters, and those were cnn reporters! last night, the mpd locked the team that live-streams police activity in an abandoned storefront.

for someone who keeps braying about nuance, you seem to think the line between an acceptable and unacceptable (to you) protest is awfully black and white.

my point, for the last time, is that you will not tell us how you think protesters "should" protest, you'll merely appeal to some totally abstract "middle ground," because you're smart enough to know there's no practical version of that. i know you would rather get off snarky jokes that engage with the more upsetting realities here, but i'll reiterate: five years go in minneapolis, people assembled outside a police precinct for days. it was not only "non-violent," but wasn't even confrontational, just an encampment. and still, the police tried to facilitate their murder.

you are living in an absolute fantasy world to believe that the police can be protested in any meaningful way without things turning violent sooner or later. what's more: they know there are tens of millions of people who, like you, have no stomach for a f---ing target of all places being robbed, so they will do everything they can––and the press will mostly bend over backward to accommodate this, as will the white terrorists––to foreground that at the expense of everything else.

believing there is a way to protest the police without violence being turned on the protesters is like the democrats believing that if they're just nice and meek and conciliatory enough, the republicans will meet them halfway. it's charlie brown with the football.

 

May 30, 2020

the point of the protest is police violence; the reality of financial injustice in america is just to point out that the pearl-clutching over property damage is pathetic and hypocritical.

if you want proof that looting is politically effective, look no further than how much it upsets people like this ^

 

May 30, 2020

lol u know this isn't true

 

May 30, 2020

Yes it is dude. You’re a limo liberal , or I guess a progressive swimming pool populist or whatever the term is.

And fuckkkkkk your word count - Ive given you plenty of examples and analysis that your simply too entrenched to digest. Out of my depth? My dude you’re about to fly halfway across the country so you can have ledes for your next freelance pieces on Freddie Gibbs or whatever. Keep playing in the clubhouse w the other well off well intentioned do-nothings, spewing rhetoric instead of genuine action, let alone results. Some of us workkkkkk for a living lmao so pardon me for being suspicious of what ultimately this will do (besides empowering trump lol)

 

May 30, 2020

The thing is, we can argue whether violent forms of protest are right or wrong in the present day forever but no one is reflecting back on the Watts riots or Hough riots & criticizing how those protesters went about fighting for civil rights today.

 

May 30, 2020

Hate to break it to u but the unrest of 1968 awakened the so called silent majority that installed Nixon in office. So yes there’s plenty of room to critique the use of violence and disruption as a form of social protest

 

May 30, 2020

no you haven't! you can't just say something over and over again and make it true. read the watts riots coverage.

...yes, lol. i am, once again, complimenting you (unlike you, belittling my life & work!!!!!!!!!!) and saying that you're a perceptive enough person that, if you had even a shred of experience with these situations, you would understand that your current line of argument, which is that there are clear, controllable lines between "good" and "bad" protesting, is preposterous on its face.

which is it (b---- is it briggs or mathers), do you want toothless kumbaya s--- that "gets no results" or do you want actual action that offends your delicate aesthetic sensibilities about what a protest "should" be?

 

May 30, 2020

one of the more sinister things about american politics is how, with some distance, it subsumes protest that it abhors in real time into a story of its own success. the gap between the way some people talk about john lewis and his contemporary analogues is a great example of this.

inviting the cops to keep killing unarmed citizens so as not to disturb the biden campaign