Oct 22, 2015

im not mad i just think youre a gump who values posting here more than talking to girls. prove me wrong!

 

Oct 22, 2015

i do value posting here more than talking to girls, girls are everywhere

romanian bad a----s who think spring breakers is top 10 american films OAT are much harder to come across

 

Oct 22, 2015

I guess I can post some stuff tonight after work if you really wanna read it.

Sorry if I think it's inappropriate to post pics of my girl on a hip hop forum

 

Oct 22, 2015

don't post the pics lol

 

Oct 22, 2015

 

Oct 22, 2015

Sporadic thoughts regarding the last few pages:

- Birdman was cool, but faded quickly
- Whiplash was just as good on a second watch
- Moonrise Kingdom is Wes Anderson's best movie
- Never said Blackhat was flawless, but it is beautiful
- Spring Breakers = least favorite Korrine picture so far
- CA is a drama queen
- I want to see Vahn and Rowjay write something
- Twan and FilmandWhisky s--- on all of us
- Mean Girls is the best post-2000 comedy

 

Oct 22, 2015

no u f---ing DIDNT

 

Oct 22, 2015

#archdogg

 

Oct 22, 2015

I agree to an extent, and I used to hold the same opinion more strongly before. But after doing a Masters in Cinema Studies I didn't come to find deeper support for the objectivity of cinema as an art-form but deeper support for its inherent subjectivity. The 16 people in my cohort were undoubtedly better trained in cinema, having already taken cinema studies courses in their undergrads, and even assisting teaching undergrad classes then, but the disparity between opinions was MUCH greater between these 16 people than between myself and any supposedly ''untrained' person. It is the training in cinema that leads to a wider variety of opinions and debates.

After one has left the mainstream of Citizen Kane, Vertigo, Godfather one enters the academic world of Do the Right Thing, Touch of Evil, and Persona. In a master's class we spent an entire semester dissecting Touch of Evil from different points of view because of how debatable a single film is. In a class on film theory, we looked at short, experimental films which are clearly undervalued. Then you realize how much foreign, experimental, and contemporary world cinema is totally missing from the academic world. All this to say is that the deeper one gets into the rabbit hole the more varied their tastes becomes. The more they're able to question those original films that began their journey and which sit at the highest echelons of the supposed objective consensus of film-art. I'd rather hear an argument for why Spring Breakers or Showgirls is a masterpiece than hear another "Citizen Kane changed cinema forever and is therefore the goat".

That said, most of my background in film-philosophy (philosophy bachelors) involves talking about the transformative potential of cinema, which requires a consistent pure aesthetic appreciation of the images between all viewers. In that way, the formal structure, such as a moving hand or a rack focus, becomes the mindful, immediate experience of the viewer, which corresponds exactly with all viewers. It is cinema as devotion, as meditation, as art. It's here that film transcends subjectivity. But this is merely in the immediate experience of sound and image, and after it has reached one's conscience it gets interpreted by one's unique thoughts and necessarily becomes a subjective output. Still, the immediate experience could have been identical. People further trained in having an aesthetic sensibility might be closer to having the same opinion, like a buddhist monk who has had more practice than your typical yoga patron. So, yes, I think practice and cinematic training are hugely important, but for kind of different reasons. I don't frankly care much about cinema as history or cinema as culture, but I know more people care about stories and identity than I do. I care about cinema as art, and not many of the objective greatest films could even be considered great art. @Vahn and others are looking for something different than you; their aesthetic sensibilities are different than you. And to be honest I side more so with his point of view, since my criteria for cinema has more to do with art than with a checklist of technical features/historic impacts/cultural relevance, etc.. But, to each their own.

 

Oct 22, 2015

d--- gr8 post @FilmAndWhisky

im more of a cinema as culture person. i think that itself has some philosophical underpinnings -- time's fingerprints impacting narrative, the compartmentalization of a movie, and how that creates a tension. i wrote a post awhile ago about the various adaptations of phantom of the opera, and how each era endows it with its own unique pov. i was a history and film dbl major in college, so thats always been where my interests are -- i think an argument about showgirls being a secret masterpiece is obviously compelling, but theres a reductionist element i sometimes roll my eyes at. people grasping at straws, and finding things that truly arent there.

i dont think thats the case with spring breakers, and i def see why from a sound and image standpoint itd appeal to you. im more responding to the tertiary use of phrases like "greatest all time" -- when we overuse, we strip words of their meaning

 

Oct 22, 2015

there's honestly a comparable divide in music/hip hop along the same lines of aesthetic vs. content, context vs. digesting things in a vacuum....there's definitely a link b/w how one generation consumes media vs. another. and its having a very observable effect on..not really taste per say...but like the sensibilities of peoples. but honestly in my opinion, any and all perceivable quality is inherent to the piece of art at hand...it just depends on how the user digests the stimuli at that given moment*. as @FilmAndWhisky already touched on...one person's criteria might be different than the next. but the quality they both find in the film, even if its differing, has always been there. like, when people say modern hip hop focus too much on aesthetic and less on content...it's misleading b/c 1) the content is there, it's just being delivered in a different fashion than what people are accustomed to and 2) aesthetic has always been a crucial component of good hip hop, even if people didn't place the lens on that particularly. music has always been about what sounds good, but the reasons why something sounds good have (thankfully) become less narrow overtime. which ultimately leads to more discussion/debate tho, and less consensus. which isnt a bad thing.

inb4 andy gives me a time out


*dont know if that made any sense

 

Oct 22, 2015

 

Oct 22, 2015

I can go from listening to Young Thug to watching old contemplative Japanese films with ease but I guess that's just me.

 

Oct 22, 2015

 

Oct 22, 2015

I'm not like y'all, I thought this was well known

 

Oct 22, 2015

ur my alt tho

 

Oct 22, 2015

vahn saying contemplative

 

Oct 22, 2015

I think I'm G

 

Oct 22, 2015

Since i'm way behind on this thread, dope s--- with Emma Donoghue @captain awesome . I met her briefly at the gala opening for Room at Vancouver Film Festival, where she gave opening remarks and Q/A. I loved the film and found her to be a highly articulate and candid person.

 

Oct 22, 2015

@Vahn schools us all on Asian cinema, including Rowjay.