The Official 2016 GOP Presidential Primary Thread

Started by ImmortalTechnique, Jan 20, 2015, in Life Add to Reading List

  1. Nick
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    Feb 26, 2016
    People genuinely like him. But he's not going to win and much of his proposals would never see the light of day in America.. At least for now
     
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  2. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Feb 26, 2016
    depends what you mean by "for real." i would say most reasonable people would admit, even begrudgingly, that hillary clinton is superbly qualified to be president. but she doesn't inspire enthusiasm in many people, even on the left, and she's always been a dismal campaigner. it'll be interesting to see how march and april play out--he could hang around for quite a while. but as the gap in superdelegates already shows, it's going to take a miracle for him to come away with the nomination. the best case scenario for the democrats is he sharpens hillary and doesn't do any serious damage to her before the general. (the latter seems almost assured, the former...hopefully.)

    bernie sanders is a pretty great guy to have in the senate. in theory, almost all of his ideas about entitlement programs, healthcare, education, the environment, etc. are great, and he's essentially got a perfect record on what we'd all consider no-brainer social issues like gay marriage. (his gun record is as wonky as everyone says it is.) but most economists think his revenue projections designed to pay for his proposed spending increases are wildly optimistic. he also lacks any meaningful foreign policy experience, and has been troublingly reticent on it so far in the campaign.
     
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  3. Oldboy
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    Feb 26, 2016
    for real = serious candidate?
    i feel he is the other side of the trump coin...they both feel like they dont belong in the race but for different reasons
     
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  4. Missile
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    Feb 26, 2016
    Obama had far less experience, and he wasn't too unrealistic and too inexperienced, so you know why answer to this question.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Feb 26, 2016
    nah that's something people have been saying, but it's reductive and just not true. sanders is a guy with experience in government and a serious legislative record. his domestic policy proposals all are at least detailed and have working models in other countries.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    the question wasn't "is bernie sanders experienced enough to be president."
     
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  7. Oldboy
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    i guess seeing the reddit spam of sanders everyday put me off
     
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  8. Missile
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    Feb 26, 2016
    I do agree that Sanders is unfortunately tapping into anger, like Trump is. Although, I have much greater logical reason to be concerned about big banks than I do mexicans and muslims.

    If Bernie is able to break up the big banks (like Teddy Roosevelt did), even if he did nothing for the rest of his presidency, he'd be top 10 presidents of all time. As far as I am concerned, no real change can happen in this country unless big money is removed from politics.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

    Feb 26, 2016
    yeah bernie sanders supporters are generally The Worst. it's unfair to hold it against him---he's spoken pretty readily about what he doesnt think is acceptable in the discourse--but it's definitely offputting.
     
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  10. Chris_sirhC517
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    Lol. For real though, Reddit loves them some Sanders.
    Number one issue in this election is campaign finance reform. Period. There's only one person I trust to do that.
     
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  11. Lamont
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    Yes it would be stupid to not take him seriously, he's the only Genuine Candidate that doesn't LIE
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    this is an insane, myopic opinion and one of the major reasons sanders is written off by so many as the candidate of white, upper-middle-class liberal men. i don't mean to get too dramatic here, but peoples' entire lives hang in the balance of the legislative decisions presidents make. there are people alive today who otherwise wouldn't be without the aca. there are women who can't access the healthcare they need. look at flint, look at louisiana. citizens united is a horrifically stupid case and something that absolutely needs to be addressed as soon as possible, but come on.
     
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  13. Chris_sirhC517
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    Enjoy living in a country where banks, the fossil fuel industry, private prisons and multinational corporations (examples) are the only voice that matters then. Your voice isn't s--- anymore. You get the bought candidate who has the prettier face.

    EDIT: Obviously those other issues are important. But they won't matter when the government has literally no responsibility to listen to the voice of their citizens.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    if you think that campaign finance law is the chief way to combat the private prison industry, you're spending too much time on reddit.
     
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  15. Chris_sirhC517
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    Completely missing the point.
    Like, literally. You're deflecting.
     
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  16. WPG
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    no, that's exactly your point. you're arguing that altering campaign finance laws will keep the industries you cited (prison-industrial, oil, banks) from wielding influence in washington. that's wrong, and it's naive. it's an issue that needs serious attention, but holding it up as the most important fight in an election year is painfully stupid. what, are we gonna go to the common room and talk about apartheid?
     
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  17. Lamont
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    I disagree with this. Bernie offers more to minorities than any other candidate running. And he has had a consistent progressive record. He has proven that he can work with the Republicans and get s--- done. As a minority Bernie is my man, plain and simple. I know plenty of people that support him over Clinton.
     
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    WPG sxn80 Rory Gilmore

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    that's not what i was arguing. i was talking about the perception of him during the campaign.
     
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  19. Lamont
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    Yeah and I'm saying that perception is wrong.
     
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  20. Chris_sirhC517
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    Feb 26, 2016
    Isn't that annoying when people don't stay on the point you were trying to make? I can only imagine.
    Not stop them from wielding influence in Washington.
    No.
    But take away your power to have any.
    Yes.
     
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