Feb 18, 2021

Em is a d---ed weirdo and he has a very specific way of doing things and according to Budden, it’s based on analytics that his people come up with. There are so many collaborations that Em could have and should have done the past twenty something years but he just winds up doing songs with big name Pop artists or random artists no one really cares for. He might even be intimidated by certain rappers lyrically speaking or beat wise. How the f--- you have Alchemist by your side for years and you just primarily use him as a DJ? What kind of goofy s--- is that? Signs Griselda and pretty much does nothing for them. He had Gunn in the middle of the crowd recording him while he’s onstage. It’s almost as if Em is autistic or something.

 

Feb 18, 2021

I feel like the Bass Brothers played a huge role in the greatness of Eminem and his classic songs. Ever since they left his music hasn’t been nearly as good.

 

Feb 18, 2021

He’s as autistic as they come, big fella. The bass brothers said once in an interview that they had to tell him how to approach beats, I.e this one is a sad beat, so write a sad song, this one is an angry beat so rap angrily GRRRR GRRR... Eminem is autistic as f---.

 

Feb 18, 2021

But I do not agree totally with the OP. Em collabed with many big and good MCs back then, m--- and Red, Sticky Fingaz, Jay Z, Xzibit, Cypress Hill, produced for Nas, and dont forget about the 8 Mile OST line up, which was amazing with people like Rakim.

However it is true that some collabs are odd that they never happened..

 

Feb 18, 2021

It's because recovery made eminem a popstar. At his peak he was a mega superstar, but not a pop star.

Further hurts his credibility too by doing so. Some people say, how come kendrick can do a song with Taylor swift, or snoop with Katy Perry and it's cool. They never built their career shi--ing on and belittling pop stars. For eminem to basically only do pop s--- from 2010-2017 is frankly textbook hypocritical sell out s---. Especially artists like rihanna and gwen Stefani who he had previously insulted/made fun of (for the record, I love both of their music but doesnt make a lick of sense for eminem's brand to work with them)

 

Feb 18, 2021

I kinda agree with OP. It never really made sense to me why Em, as a competitive/lyrical rapper, rarely or never worked with people like Nas, Jay-Z, Kendrick, Cole, Pharoahe Monch, Crooked I, Tech N9ne, Joey Badass, etc. The disappointment of Revival was also huge because in the months leading up to the releaae, he kept shouting out the legends and wearing t-shirts with Illmatic, The Chronic, Doggystyle, etc. Then the photos came with 2Chainz. Then the tracklist came and BAM we got Pink, Beyonce, Skylar Grey, and Ed Sheeran.

 

Feb 17, 2021

Em literally done a BME album/EP with Royce.

 

Feb 18, 2021

Em didn't do collabs with pop stars at his peak though. He was so hot that he didn't need them. Same goes for 50 Cent too.

So, when Em started doing collabs with pop stars heavy, it came off as though he was trying to use them to stay relevant on the charts or with the younger crowd. I don't fault Eminem for this, mind you, but I think that's was makes 2010-2017 Eminem stand out so much from his prime.

It went from Eminem singing his own hooks on songs like Without Me, Cleaning Out My Closet, and When I'm Gone or having a rapper like Nate Dogg or 50 Cent singing the hook for him to having the most blatant pop stars like Rihanna, Gwen, Pink, Skylar Grey, Sia, Ed Sheeran, Kehlani, etc. doing hooks for him.

And, like I said, I think this is mostly Interscope at work and not really something Em was pushing hard for himself. But it does stand out for the people that got into him during his prime.

 

Feb 18, 2021

Why rap on Alchemist beats when you can make pop-rock anthems with ALEX DA KID

 

Feb 18, 2021

so strange he never had a Collab with Nas

 

Feb 19, 2021

^This guy doesn’t even understand that the skits on Em’s albums are staged lmfao

 

Feb 18, 2021

Em has been nothing but loyal to Royce so I disagree with that part.

That said, I do think Interscope tried hard to milk or market Eminem as a "pop star", hence all the pop collabs from the 2010-2017 era after Relapse failed to live up to commercial expectations.

I do think it's strange that Eminem hasn't collabed with Elzhi or Black Milk before, two very talented Detroit artists who've done a lot for hip hop.

I also think Eminem not doing a project with Madlib, Alchemist, etc. was a missed opportunity. Rapping over jazzy or boom bap sounding beats different from the Dre, pop, or trap sound will highlight his versatility as a rapper imho.

 

Feb 18, 2021

Before Bass Brothers groomed him, he didn’t know how to make music. He was doing the exact same s--- he is now, gotta rap fast!



Look at his ‘95 & previous music, this is 1 of his best cuts from that era but still shows the contrast between what he was creating then to what he was creating with the Bass Bros 2 years later:

 

Feb 18, 2021

thats hilarious