CDC says vaccinated people made up 3/4ths of those infected in Delta Massachusetts Outbreak

Jimelej · Aug 6, 2021

Aug 6, 2021

Alchemist34 said

I think people don’t realise that not everyone who’s annoyed with anti vaxxers and anti maskers and lockdown rule breakers are bleeding heart libruls who are afraid they and everyone they know will die. Some of us are actually pieces of s--- who don’t care about that what we want Is just things to go back to normal. And since the govt decides when things go back to normal, rebelling against these things only prolongs it. Even for governments, people dying Isn’t the main concern in itself, it’s the chaos that would happen if we just let it go unchecked. Even with restrictions hospitals are overwhelmed. A massive rapid unchecked and untreated covid would skyrocket the hospitalisation rates so much that not only would there be bodies piling outside hospitals, it would devastate all aspects of the economy, businesses, jobs, medical, infrastructure, schools, military etc. Hospitalisation rates are higher than death rates. Those who die are just a small percentage of those hospitalised.

Do you think the governments of today’s globalist capitalistic world actually want a world like it is now in constant lockdowns, travel bans, benefit payouts to those missing work, business closures etc? It’s their literal worst nightmare. The only reason they’re be willing to sacrifice the economy this way with restrictions and want enough people to get vaccinated isn’t to get rid of the virus and ensure no one dies again, it’s to bring it down to a manageable level that won’t overwhelm the system. Because while this hurts the global economy, the alternative would hurt it even more.

Saying “people die every day for all sorts of reasons” is entirely missing the point. So yes, even if world leaders and corporations etc only care about themselves and profit, bringing the virus to an acceptable manageable level is in their interest as well as the economy as well as the average citizen both low and high risk.

I’m sure Psizer and other vaccination companies are stoked at such an opportunity to make and sell a product in such a sudden and massive demand. But as with every other disease that used to k--- us by the millions which we now don’t take seriously anymore because of vaccines (which have always had cases of people dying from it, though an irrelevant minuscule amount compared to those dying from the disease itself), it’s in the general population’s best interest that as many people get vaccinated as possible. Again, not necessarily to stop the virus from killing you, and even if you don’t give a s--- about you infecting others, but for the whole bigger, global picture, of life returning back to normal ASAP. It’s something literally everyone on earth has in common. Governments, citizens, corporations, militaries, drug cartels, terrorists, hookers, school kids, actors, janitors and all other walks of life. That they want (whether for good or bad intentions) for this s--- to be over with asap

Rebelling against the system in this case is stupid because this time it’s for everyone’s benefit. You may decide to ignore rules and not wear your mask, ignore lockdowns or gathering restrictions, ignore basic hygienic advice like sanitising your hands often, and not getting vaccinated because you aren’t a “sheep” like everyone else. But you aren’t achieving anything. The restrictions you hate will still be there. They will only get more severe. You’ll be legally required to wear masks (already the case in some places), you’ll be arrested for violating lockdown rules. All the things you’re protesting against will only get worse. Because like the rest of us, you’re still a powerless sheep. Either start an armed revolution to overthrow the government, or just get your dumbass back in line with the herd so you can have your ‘rights’ you care so much about back.

Not everyone has to get vaccinated but a lot do. And since most governments can’t forcefully vaccinate people, if we’re having trouble meeting an acceptable number of vaccinations recommended by health officials before we can ease restrictions, the govt will certainly make your life difficult to indirectly force you to get vaccinated. You may need it to be able to travel. Even for certain jobs or schools and universities and even certain sports or entertainment venues could require vaccination proof. You’d be second priority in hospitals.

All you’d be doing is proving how powerless you really are when you begrudgingly finally go get the vaccine.

Obviously it’s not like there’s a very specific number and would be down to a single particular person to have to get vaccinated. But it’s an example if the majority of people had this anti-everything mindset that would delay the easing of restrictions. And it’s a reality that vaccinations will be required for certain things especially international travel and even some domestic policies even after things get more or less back to normal.

so, the f--- you gonna do about this tyranny? Gonna actually do something or?
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Hit the nail on the head!

This is why i love this forum, through out the years i always stumble upon great takes on all kinds of topics, posts that put my thoughts into a way i couldnt. Which also makes me look smart when i later copying the post and use it in a discussion with friends and colleagues, so thanks

Pazuzu · Aug 7, 2021

Aug 7, 2021

Slyk · Aug 18, 2021

Aug 18, 2021
came across this gem on my feed today. Define what it means to “feel absolutely fine”

DKC · Aug 19, 2021

Aug 19, 2021
RT

Donkey Kong Country said

please sir just one source

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Alchemist34 · Aug 19, 2021

Aug 19, 2021
On the one hand I want this s--- over with ASAP on the other hand I hope we turn into some Stalinist dictatorship just so I can watch dumbass fb friends seethe their over dramatic little hearts out

Michael Myers · Aug 20, 2021

Aug 20, 2021

Alchemist34 said

On the one hand I want this s--- over with ASAP on the other hand I hope we turn into some Stalinist dictatorship just so I can watch dumbass fb friends seethe their over dramatic little hearts out

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Yeah this s--- is wild

We even got people here hanging posters on their window saying "freedom, 1945-2020" on the day we commemorated the victims of ww2 lol

Slyk · Aug 20, 2021

Aug 20, 2021
raise your child.

Slyk · Aug 20, 2021

Aug 20, 2021
https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...million-vaccine-doses-administered-in-past-24
Over 1 million doses administered yesterday in the US.
Looks like all those Lions & Wolves are backtracking their “beliefs”.

Slyk · Aug 20, 2021

Aug 20, 2021
https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/20...w-to-fight-the-delta-variant-of-covid-column/

this is important & reputable.

What we now know about how to fight the delta variant of COVID | Column
An expert explains why vaccines — and masks — are so important, and why delta is different and more dangerous.
Published Aug. 10
Updated Aug. 16

I am in a unique position to report on what is going on with COVID-19, particularly the delta variant and why it’s so dangerous, and how it interacts with the vaccines. I’m the Special Assistant to the National Director of Pathology and Lab Medicine for the entire Veterans Affairs system, with a specific role in advising on elements of COVID testing for the system.

As such, I have a front row seat to all of the latest data since we use that information to make our national-policy decisions. So, here are a few important points that help explain why you should get vaccinated and wear a mask. I’ll do my best to stitch this all together so it makes sense:

1. Like Gorilla Glue. The delta variant (lineage B.1.617.2) has a particular collection of mutations in the spike protein (that knob-like projection you see in renderings of the virus) that make it extremely effective in attaching to human cells and gaining entry. If the original COVID strains were covered in syrup, this variant is covered in ultrafast-drying Gorilla Super Glue (industrial strength).

2. 1,000 times higher. There are two recent publications which demonstrate that the viral loads in the back of the throats of infected patients are 1,000 times higher with the delta than with previous variants. I can tell you from data in my own labs, that is absolutely true. We are seeing viral signals we never saw last year using the exact same assays.

3. Much more infectious. This much higher load plus the ultra “stickiness” of the delta strains for adhering to human cells makes it remarkably more infectious than previous strains. You may have heard of R0 (Pronounced R naught) which is, in a nutshell, the number of people to which an infected person would be expected to transmit the virus. Early versions of the virus had a 2 to 2.5 R0 value. So one infected person would infect two or so people on average. Delta has an R0 of about eight! In the infectious disease world, that’s almost unheard of. Chickenpox and measles are about all we have ever seen that spread that efficiently from human to human. This changes the story line completely from earlier in the pandemic and makes this surge, in many ways, like a completely different pandemic event.

4. Five days. There is another recent publication out of Singapore with data that confirms something we suspected. I will explain more about the “why” on this below when I talk about vaccines, but the gist is this: The viral loads in the throats of vaccinated persons who become infected with delta rises at identical rates as in unvaccinated persons, but only for the first few days. After five days or so, the viral loads in the vaccinated person start to quickly drop whereas those in the unvaccinated person persist. This key set of observations is important for several reasons relating to vaccinated persons serving as vectors for spread (see below).

5. Young people. This pandemic, Round 2, is primarily being observed in younger patients than in Round 1. Our children’s hospitals are even already filling up or full. Because of the delta viral dynamics, it is much more capable of causing severe disease in a larger swath of the population. You spew enough of any human pathogen on someone without immunity, and it’s not going to end well. This sets up very poorly for the beginning of the school year — which has already started in Florida — and it scares me. Check that. It is actually terrifying. I sure hope we have vaccines for the 5- to 11-year-olds soon.

6. Vaccines work! Speaking of vaccines. Are they working? Yes! They are absolutely doing their expected job. We know a lot about vaccines for upper respiratory viruses, as we have been giving the population one every year for decades (influenza). To explain all of this, I need to provide some biological context. When you get a vaccine as a “shot,” the “antigen” in the vaccine leads to formation of an antibody response. You probably knew that. What’s important, though, is that it primarily leads to a specific Immunoglobulin G (IgG) response. That’s the antibody type that circulates around in really high numbers in the blood, is located some in tissues and is more easily detectable by blood tests, etc.

What that shot does not do is produce an Immunoglobulin A (IgA) antibody response to the virus at the surface of the throat mucosa. That’s the antibody type that could prevent the virus from ever binding in the first place. As such, in a vaccinated person, the virus can still attach like it’s about to break into the house, but it doesn’t realize that there is an armed homeowner on the other side of the door. When that virus is detected, the IgG beats it up and clears it before the person gets very ill (or ill at all). (Sidebar: Anyone ever had their kid — or themselves — get the “Flumist” vaccine as their annual flu booster? The idea there is to introduce the antigens at the surface of the throat mucosa leading to that IgA response that will prevent infection from happening at all. Sounds good and still has a place, but it isn’t quite as effective overall as the shot.)

7. Preventing disease and death. The COVID-19 vaccines are designed to prevent disease/death through that IgG response (though it does also reduce infections somewhat). How good are the vaccines at doing all of this with delta? The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has just released data addressing that very question. Punchline: They’re remarkably good! The vaccine shows an 8-fold reduction in the development of any symptomatic disease secondary to delta. For hospitalization, it is a 25-fold reduction. That’s 25 times! Remarkable. For death, it is also 25 times! This is a very effective pharmaceutical class when looking at overall efficacy toward the intended/expected purpose. When looking at the very tiny side effect profile, I’d personally consider it one of the best overall pharmaceuticals on the market in any class of drugs.

8. So, you’re vaccinated? First of all, a sincere, heart-felt thank you! But you may now ask, so why do I again need to wear a mask? We talked about disease, hospitalizations and death above, but what about infections themselves? The vaccines are now estimated to provide a 3-times reduction in infection. For reasons that I tried to make clear above, it isn’t surprising that the vaccine is less effective at preventing infection vs. preventing disease. We are indeed seeing detectable virus, at high levels, in asymptomatic, vaccinated persons when we test them prior to procedures, etc. We have a few that are mildly symptomatic, too.

While we now understand that the virus fades from the back of the throat pretty quickly in a vaccinated person, we also know that an infected, vaccinated person can transmit this very infectious virus to others for at least a couple of days. So, as before, you are being asked to wear a mask to primarily protect others.

We need you again to interrupt the transmission cycle of the virus, as you don’t know when you might be infectious. The vaccine alone cannot interrupt this cycle when there is a lot of virus in the community within unprotected persons.

9. What’s next? I live and practice in Iowa, and I see the tsunami wave on the horizon. It’s typical for respiratory viruses to begin in the southern United States (where it is hot and everyone clusters indoors in the air conditioning to escape the heat) and then creep north to affect those areas when it gets colder (and people go inside because it’s getting colder). If you live in the north and are not vaccinated, it is not too late, but it’s getting d--- close. It’s also time to start wearing masks in public again (ugh...I hate it, too).

Those of you in the south, particularly in Florida, know that the tsunami is already on your shores. If you weren’t already off the beach, you might be in trouble. However, if you are there and haven’t yet been affected, run like h--- to metaphorical higher ground — get vaccinated, wear a mask.

I beg of you, watch that wave and don’t ignore it. I have zero political agenda (I hate politics). I’m just a nerdy scientist and physician who loves you all, and I certainly don’t want to see a mass of my friends grieving — or dead — because I didn’t yell loud enough to get you and your families off that beach. So, run! (to your pharmacy ... driving is allowed). You don’t want any part of this thing without vaccine on board.

Dr. J. Stacey Klutts is a clinical associate professor of pathology and clinical microbiology at the University of Iowa and is the chief of the Pathology and Laboratory Service for the Central Iowa VA Health Care System. He is the past president of the Academy of Clinical Laboratory Physicians and Scientists (ACLPS) and chairs the National VA Clinical Microbiology Council in addition to his national roles referenced above. This is adapted from a Facebook post with permission of the author.
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reservoirGod · Aug 20, 2021

Aug 20, 2021
Anti-vaxxers are now f---ing their health and well being up by taking SHEEP medication.

reservoirGod · Aug 21, 2021

Aug 21, 2021

Alchemist34 · Aug 22, 2021

Aug 22, 2021
Man dying from covid after being an antivaxxer/covid denier is the most humiliating way to go. I'd just k--- myself before covid does

Michael Myers · Aug 23, 2021

Aug 23, 2021
https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/trump-...ging-crowd-to-get-vaccinated-news.137978.html

Lol what happened to Trump??

"Trump was briefly booed by his supporters in Alabama after encouraging them to get vaccinated"

Pazuzu · Aug 24, 2021

Aug 24, 2021
Bussa buss is dead wrong. Misinformed as a MFer.

Enigma · Aug 24, 2021

Aug 24, 2021

Michael Myers said

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/trump-...ging-crowd-to-get-vaccinated-news.137978.html

Lol what happened to Trump??

"Trump was briefly booed by his supporters in Alabama after encouraging them to get vaccinated"
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Despite the boos, they also clapped for him at the end. It’s good that Trump continues to reiterate pro-vaxx rhetoric. That kind of messaging, consistently & over time, will convince some of his supporters to get vaccinated.