Apr 7, 2016

 

Apr 8, 2016

good piece: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html?_r=1

@WPG

 

Apr 8, 2016

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-i-attacked-hillary-clinton-because-she-attacked-me/

You guys seen this Interview with Charlie Rose? This man is not capable of being president. He did the same thing Trump did last week with Anderson. His thing this morning on the today show was terrible. Bad question and the good ones he ignore and changed the subject like a true politician.

 

Apr 8, 2016

Good analysis of Bernie.

I can't explain how annoying and stupid people sound when they blame the "big banks" for all their troubles, as if they even have the slightest idea what they are implying or talking about. However, that is only part of the reason this guy is unfit to be President. He preys on dumbass millennials who will believe anything. That's where all his hype comes from. The argument that media is biased against him actually helps his campaign.

Although I don't always agree with them, I am thankful for intelligent liberals who can share and discuss a broad range of issues and how they effect our country. People who support Bernie Sanders are not those people.

 

Apr 8, 2016

 

Apr 8, 2016

If that tweet is real, it's r-----ed. Comparing a hedge fund manager to an elemtary school teacher is like comparing a sheep to an apple.

 

Apr 8, 2016

spot on.

(i do think there are arguments to be made for limiting the size of the biggest financial houses, but they're not arguments that sanders or his supporters are making, and they're not direct reactions to the mortgage crisis.)

 

Apr 8, 2016

You two are insufferable. lol. Take your s--- talking here: https://forum.sectioneighty.com/the-official-2016-democratic-presidential-primary-thread.t34864/.
Where it belongs.
If you want to actually make points about Bernie Sanders instead of literally just talking s---, we can have that discussion.

 

Apr 8, 2016

serious question: how are our concerns not "actual points"?

 

Apr 8, 2016

????? do you know who paul krugman is

 

Apr 8, 2016

I'm not aware of anyone blaming "big banks" for "all of their troubles". I see Bernie talking about his belief that banks should not be so large that they pose a systemic risk to the economy.

Nothing factual about this. It's an opinion. A negative opinion that comes off as s--- talking.

Again. s--- talking.


Now you? WPG? Not as much. but you are incorrect when you say that "limiting the size of large financial issues" is not a point Sanders supporters make. It is arguably the largest point Bernie Sanders makes.

I'm very aware who Paul Krugman is. Is there another question in there somewhere?

 

Apr 8, 2016

L M A O you are the most selective reader i've ever seen on the internet

 

Apr 8, 2016

Oh, I missed the "spot on" and the "direct reaction to the mortgage crisis" part. FFS.
I disagreed with your main point. In a 20 word post, I mention the largest part of your post. What in the actual f--- are you talking about. I'd like to have a legitimate discussion on this, I have time.

 

Apr 8, 2016

the fact that you can bend and twist a 20-word post to whip yourself into bernie hysteria is...telling.

 

Apr 8, 2016

Oh my god. lmao. I am legitimately confused right now.
You said something was not a point Sanders or his supporters try to make. But it legitimately is. I have proof, if you like.
I must be getting trolled.
I have to be.

 

Apr 8, 2016

Clearly! (edit: but given you're a Bernie "bro" I suspect you and you alone feel you're capable of defining what a legitimate discussion constitutes.)

What about Paul Krugman's piece do you disagree with?

 

Apr 8, 2016

we know. trust me, we know.

as @blair correctly points out, the biggest remaining investment banks were not the chief culprits in the '08 collapse (and their size/consolidation was not at fault in nearly any respect).

i need to stress here that in almost all ways, i'm about as fundamentally liberal as they come: i want truly universal, single-payer healthcare coverage and hugely expensive gun buy-backs; i want major prison reforms and for every single non-violent drug offender to be freed; i want to re-route all charter school funding back to the public system; i want massive divestments from law enforcement and defense and for it all to be funneled into education and jobs programs in inner cities.

i agree with sanders on things like taxes on wall street speculation and carbon taxes. i agree with his broader principles on a vast majority of domestic policy issues.

but the Daily News ed. board interview highlights something that a lot of us have been saying since september: sanders' policy platforms are malformed and/or based on wildly, cartoonishly optimistic economics. there are a whole host of other complaints: he's woefully bad on foreign policy, and doesn't seem to understand that the kind of incremental change a clinton presidency suggests is not only more feasible, but more sustainable and more likely to serve as the foundation for further future progress.

there are also his glaring weaknesses as a candidate: as much as i think hillary's superbly qualified for the white house, she's generally a very bad campaigner. looking toward a general, sanders supporters should think long and hard about why their guy, young voter-frenzy, underdog-narrative bs and all, isn't even within shouting distance. you need to seriously consider why bernie is so laughably bad with black voters (krugman has a good line or two about that). this guy started as a message candidate, and in almost every facet of his platform, that's what he still is.

 

Apr 8, 2016

So much truth in the above post

 

Apr 8, 2016

Chris is the most irrational person on the Internet

 

Apr 8, 2016

lol. I do, I apologize.

It was a good article once he got past his 3rd-grader Bernie Bro swipe. I never said it was a poor article. At this point its clear who's vying for a cabinet position under Hillary though, but i digress.
The argument on the bank reform was a bit straw-man ish, to me. The biggest concern (atleast from what I gather) from Sanders on the bank-reform issue is that he believes a bank should not pose a systemic risk to the economy. He always cites the 08' bailout, reinforcing my opinion. Predatory lending and shadow-banks are a concern I wish Sanders would touch on more, but I think Krugman is avoiding the main point Sanders tries to make. But if you decrease the size of the largest financial institutions, in my opinion, and others, predatory lending will also take a hit. It's just not true to insinuate the big banks don't encourage predatory lending.