Sep 8, 2015 not pleasing for his campaign, i'd imagine, although he'd have to be at least somewhat pleased he's still this significant in general, let alone winning early states in many polls
Sep 8, 2015 Speaking of early states, new South Carolina poll has more bad news for the Bern. Hillary on top at 54%, Biden back in second at 24%, and Sanders is at just 9% because of continuing horrible performance with black voters
Sep 10, 2015 http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/qpoll-iowa-213462 possible STATES. Although it is not looking good in South Carolina, i concede.
Sep 10, 2015 By "horrible performance" @ImmortalTechnique means that Sanders doesn't pander to a voting block that he has no intention of really helping. And remember when he claimed Hilary's email scandal was completely political and nothing actually happened? Now she's apologizing.
Sep 10, 2015 Welcome back to this thread, I value your contributions to this ongoing dialogue. And disagree, it's still essentially political, and there doesn't really seem to be a there there. Yes, it reinforces a perception she's untruthworthy but -- like Benghazi -- there's no damning smoking gun. It pales to almost every political scandal from the past 50 years, and is particularly weak compared to some of the mudslinging the Clintons experienced in the 90s, imo.
Sep 10, 2015 There's no smoking gun in a sense that no real massive secrets have gotten out, but it's been proven that this took place, which counters her original narrative. It's not the end of the world, but my main point has been Immortal's dogmatic denial of any criticism towards democrats. He's genuinely the most partisan person I've ever encountered.
Sep 10, 2015 @Perry The Platypus and @captain awesome What is your opinion on national debt and how it affects regular citizens? generally curious....
Sep 10, 2015 Now that the g--- is all here, I think it's time to discuss how incredible the Obama presidency has been!!!!!!!
Sep 10, 2015 Despite all the bulshit, obama has gotten, he has legitimately helped the US from advancing unemployment to his somewhat failed attempt at the pretentiously named 'obamacare' i dont think he's as bad a president as some say......
Sep 10, 2015 i've been very pleased with the Obama presidency, and rly believe if Republicans weren't so entrenched/racist, he'd have gotten even more done. Certainly the best president we've had since Reagan, maybe LBJ (in terms of impact) nixon without the tragic shortcomings... eisenhower except black
Sep 10, 2015 @Pixel national debt is obviously an issue, but its impact on ordinary americans is grossly overstated. the national economy is so complex, the suggestion that the government "live within its budget" "like a regular american family" is a false, stupid metaphor
Sep 10, 2015 We should put an emphasis on the debt, but that's hard to do with the amount of spending proposed by both parties. The Obama presidency has been a mixed bag. Many things considered "victories" are partisan ones. If we look at the economy, the democratic talking points show a glaring inconsistency. While the economy was tanking, the democrats would say "Obama can't do anything because the republicans block everything." Then when the economy rebounds, the democracts give Obama all the credit. The economy has turned around, but I challenge anyone to point to an actual specific policy or handful of policies that caused this
Sep 10, 2015 Isn't the exact opposite true of Republicans though? Obama was at fault when the economy was bad. Now that it isn't, GOP governors are the victors and -- somehow -- Obama still loses b/c wages are low (narrative has been shifted) the "partisan" victories are also the fault of republicans, lmao. Look at Iran. "This new strategy would allow Republicans to argue in perpetuity that the Iran nuclear deal is somehow illegitimate, without ever actually proving that. It would create a definitionally irresolvable political "controversy" over the deal, allowing Republicans to raise money and hold hearings and go on conservative talk radio for many years to come, making conspiratorial claims about the Obama administration withholding some vital information." http://www.vox.com/2015/9/9/9296551/iran-nuclear-side-deal-republicans it's always about making obama's victories seem illegitimate, de-legitimizing his achievements/presidency. extremely disrespectful, unprecedented, and racist. no?
Sep 11, 2015 I agree it happens on both sides. It's hard to determine concretely who should get credit for the recovery. I'm on the same page with you there. The Iran deal for me is a total mixed bag from what I've read a few months back (although I actually support it). Forgive me if I'm wrong, but has the actual agreement itself not been released fully yet in print? Regardless, in that link it sounded as if the Republicans are saying elements are still secret which isn't true (again, correct me). If that's the case, I 100% disapprove, although I also laugh at the new low that has been reached with this strategy. But to your final point I must push back: "extremely disrespectful, unprecedented, and racist. no?" No. I don't know if you follow politics outside of America, but here in Canada we are in the middle of an election to determine our next prime minister. All the same demonization and disrespect exist here. That's kinda how politics is done these days. It's not racist. Like, everything you just said, I can give a similar Canadian example, and everyone running here is a white male. And that's another thing. Why is calling Trump, Bush, Walker, Carson etc. terrible considered an insult, but calling Obama terrible is a racist insult? And don't respond with "well it's the truth about the Republicans." I mean, that's not what racism is. The left seems so content with using such labels and it's extremely off-putting.
Sep 11, 2015 Look, political demonization is a part of the game, and no one is innocent in low blows and name calling. That's the nature of elections to some extent unofrtunately. In regards to the actual practice of governance however, we've seen such a rejection of almost anything Obama suggests, with almost no earnest attempts at compromise... despite severl historical situations where certain Obama policies (healthcare, Iran) were actually initially pursued by conservative thinkers. Nearly every major Obama accomplishment, regardless of its potential good for the nation, has bee spurned by GOP intransigence. Moreover, the tenor of the rhetoric around Obama, including the birther s--- and the "checks" on presidential rights, to suing him, all stink of racist coda. i'm sorry, but I'm with Ken Burns: racism has shifted and isnt just about saying n---- and wearing white hoods anymore. its subtler, and its about delegitmizing those who "dont belong" Agreed, Republcans suing Obama for not fulfilling his part of the Iran agreement is absurd. It's wrong and silly == classic modern GOP tbh. But that's my exact point... for Obama, there's always some suspicion he doesn't cut it, they need to hold him to some invisible standard out of a desperate attempt to make politics out of national security. It's offensive and, imo, total racist bs. The level of conspiring against him is simply too extreme. @Perry The Platypus
