Jun 16, 2015

Good Lordy whoadie, you must be gone off that water bottle

 

Jun 16, 2015

sounds like a thug line

 

Jun 16, 2015

Makes sense, basically every rapper nowadays has been heavily influenced by Em. Think of Em as a tree and all these new rappers are just branches. Thug might even be a leaf.

 

Jun 16, 2015

why would i call you r-----ed for doing what literally 99% of the posters that have commented in this thread didnt do

good post m8

dont agree with you dismissing that tracks like When the music stops, drips, say what you say, business etc are not only lower tier, they're completely unnecessary.

you can really only say that about like so appalled or monster on mbdtf and that's because you can argue they're redundant (which is kind of what you were getting at).

but even reading what you wrote, it sounds like TES has more problems/thing you need to excuse, while MBDTF doesnt (and is immaculately produced/put together).

 

Jun 16, 2015

i "discovered" 2 before 1 and have always loved it a bit more

He got way too self-serious from SSEP/LP and MMLP to TES.

 

Jun 16, 2015

DONT EVER TELL ME TO STOP



With an album of this stature, its hard to remove context from the music. And, again, I think you're underselling the album musically (or, at least, it's easier to debate you on its nonmusical merits, bc you shield yourself rhetorically)

idk, I think Without Me and Cleaning Out My Closet were great singles that further enhanced the absolute buzz around the album and its historic sales.

 

Jun 16, 2015

i'm not arguing you should remove music from its context, not at all. i'm just saying that cultural impact doesn't retroactively make the music better.

 

Jun 16, 2015

you bring up an interesting question, not sure i agree. strange fruit is an infinitely better song when you grasp the broader meaning behind it vis a vis the civil rights movement

 

Jun 16, 2015

I'd pay to watch a Real World-esque show starring @captain awesome @WPG @Koolo and @Narsh where they had to live together and talk about music

 

Jun 16, 2015

"the meaning behind it" is not the same thing as "the impact it had." strange fruit is made more brilliant by its underpinnings, not by how people reacted to it.

 

Jun 16, 2015

I'd b the first one voted and/or killed fo sho

(that's how these things work right?)

 

Jun 16, 2015

That's like, my point about eminem though?

 

Jun 16, 2015

That's like, my point about eminem though?

 

Jun 16, 2015

i would 100% beat you to death, no doubt

 

Jun 16, 2015

Gay

 

Jun 16, 2015

not how i'm reading it. what i get from your post is that what i see as deficiencies in The Eminem Show are excusable because the album sold 10 million copies, and was therefore what a critical mass of people wanted at the time.

if you're arguing that the shortcomings i point out are a result of his cultural station, then...so what? they're still shortcomings.

 

Jun 16, 2015

I've always liked When The Music Stops. Everyone spits fire but Bizarre.. well Bizarre never really does but at least he had a verse with a meaning like the others
Drips, well, i've always thought it's dissing Kim. Kim did have a child with another man she cheated Em with. She was born in 2002 and nowadays is adopted by Eminem. Sure this is kind of not explaining why it's in the album (ill go to that later) but at least something like this should've been on the album
Say what you say is the real low of the album. Album would be absolutely fine without it, but imo the song could've been something with Obie.
Business is kinda the welcome to The Eminem Show song. "Let's get down to business" Also the flow on this song is on point.

While i agree MBDTF is probably immaculately put together, and represents his Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, TES is in a way too. Earlier you said it's kind of all around,(or smth along these lines, too lazy to check rn) it represents his life. It's his show. His life was a mess, from the assault incident to divorce, huge fame, censorship, being a dad, beefs etc. You said the album was melodramatic, i think it is dramatic to a to a certain degree. Whether it's good or bad, i think it's up to the listener.

EDIT: I also forgot to mention about MDGAF that appalled and monster drag down the second half quite a bit. The songs that follow these 2 aren't really as awesome as in the first half so it doesn't bring the back

 

Jun 16, 2015

nah, you've misread me 100%. dont lump me in with the stans, you know im far more devilish and sophisticated

 

Jun 16, 2015

then explain what you're saying. that second little paragraph of mine is kinda the crux of my rebuttal to you.

 

Jun 16, 2015

its better, if not essential to understand broader cultural winds in assessing a work of art. they enhance ones palette. like strange fruit, appreciating the fact that TES comes from a very specific pov and point in time peppers ones understanding. its not 'der, the album sold 10 million copies, it must be good'

in other words, listening to music in a vacuum can sometimes serve the critic a disservice