Dec 30, 2015

It's time to leave 2015 behind



I've been there from Day no. 1. Yes MMLP is great, we get it. Please get over it already. But I've been contented with pretty much everything he's put out since 2010. Mmlp2 is a solid album

2 of his contributions on ShadyXV were amazing ( Guts over fear, Psychopath killer ). His 2 main features in 2015 ( Medicine Man & Best friend ) are nothing but fantastic. Not sure how you can miss this. Is 'a------' (MMLP2) bad ? Sure, at least songwriting-wise it's terrible (not skill-wise). But so is Drips (TES). Who gives a s--- about singular songs.

Adressing the myth of Eminem's new flow
This is litereally the most inaccurate thing I've seen around here. Stop saying flow as in singular. He doesn't have one flow, he has an extremely wide range of flows that have been displayed all across MMLP 2 and his new songs like Guts over Fear. He does the speedy thing only if the song calls for it.
Let me quote ganjakush

"the difference is that he exploded into a gigantic diversity of unique flows. He rides each beat differently in my opinion, depending on the drums and other instruments in the production"

"How can you put all Eminem's flows into one category when they are all fundamentally different flows? It makes no logical sense. He flows differently on nearly every single beat he raps on. what f--- are you talking about when you say "his 2015 flow" if there are at least seven different flows he's used this year?"

So has Eminem fallen off ? Maybe he has. He's gone from pretty much undisputed (2003) to amazing/very good.
That's a very good problem to have if you ask me. Stop comparing him to the 8 mile/Lose yourself era. No rapper can be compared to that time. It's just that people are so used to him being so great & this unstopabble force back then. Let me rephrase this : Other veteran rappers can only dream of being this good after so many years. That's the blatant truth. Nobody expects greatness anymore from Snoop, Nas or Jay. Can you blame them ? No, they are 20 years in, their status is cemented anyway. So is Em's. But the difference is he's still going hard in 2015. His passion is unmatched.

I don't want him to rap all the time like he did back then, I love what he's currently doing. And btw I don't want too much Dre or Melman production anymore. Dre didn't even produce Compton and I didn't like the beats on Relapse ( I know you disagree with me on this one but this is not what the thread is about).
Anyway, if Em releases a solo album I don't like, I'll be the first one to call bs like I did with Relapse. But I know there are people who like that s---. I hated that album so much, it's not even funny.

If Em still rapped like he did in '99, I probably woudn't be listening to him anymore. He's evolved very well. A man who's the same at 40 as he was at 20 has clearly done something wrong. And btw I love the verses on The monster and the beat ain't bad either. The narrow-mindness of some Hip Hop fans is incredible, I know because I used to be like this myself. It's a little poppy, so what ? LTWYL wasn't good though, I can't relisten to that song. But it was supposed to be this massive hit, so who cares.



DIscuss

 

Dec 30, 2015

Couple things,
1. MMLP2 is NOT a masterpiece, and i liked it
2. He doesn't need to make every song a challenge to the listener with his flow. We don't care if he looks at his rhymes as "Puzzles", we want him to focus on the impact of what he's saying
3. He has fallen off, but he could make a musical comeback.

 

Dec 30, 2015

Did you seriously just say...that the MMLP2 is... a masterpiece?

Definitely disagree with that. It's a decent album, but far far far from a masterpiece.

Lyrically, he's gotten better.
His execution however, hasn't.
Shady XV and Southpaw some decent contributions from Em but for the most part, those projects are trash.

 

Jan 2, 2016

I wouldn't say he's "fallen off" completely, but to say he's as good or better than he was during his early years just doesn't make sense to me. Sure his rhyming ability may be as good or better than it's ever been, but everything else ( i.e., flow, delivery, ability to put together a cohesive project) falls short imo. We see glimpses of greatness all the time, but they are mostly just that, glimpses.

He's much less consistent in the modern era. MMLP 2 was a solid project but all over the place, Shady XV had a few gems, and Southpaw was eh. From SSLP to 8 Mile he was consistently great and for the most part he could do no wrong; a perfect balance of skill, attitude, delivery, and flow. Everything after has been a mix of great, average and plain bad. More recently I think he's struggled to deliver cohesive projects that are sonically appealing. He's simply lost touch with what sounds good, and focused his energy on what he thinks is impressive. No doubt the dude can still rhyme his a--- off, but when he tries accents, yelling, rhyming every syllable, choppy flows, and speed rap it's extremely hit or miss.

I think there's no doubt the ability is still there, but he's lost the drive/hunger, focus and sense of direction which fueled him during his first three albums. He seems to just be going through the motions now and even admits it on songs like Bad Guy and Guts Over Fear. I don't give a s--- about sales and think people use that as a crutch on both sides of the argument. I think as time has passed he tried to up sales/remain relevant by using the formulaic We Made You, cookie cutter singles like Not Afraid, LTWYL, Survival and The Monster (cool video though), and mixing it up (3am, Rap God and Berzerk). Having said all that, more recently I thought MMLP 2 had a lot of solid songs and really enjoyed Medicine Man and Fine Line. When we get more information/promotion on the next album, as always, I think both people who love and hate him will still look for it.

Haha sorry for the novella...

 

Dec 31, 2015

Whoever thinks he has fallen off doesn't know a thing about hip hop..the guy has in a way gotten better..it's crazy to say he isn't as good as he was...