Jan 14, 2016

Talk about being prisoners of the moment. Let's see if he can keep up this level of play for 3-4 more seasons. #4 OAT is a joke. Magic disagreed as well.

 

Jan 14, 2016

Curry WAY too high. Wtf ESPN

 

Jan 14, 2016

My thing is Curry just hit this level of play last season while CP3 has been putting in work for 10 years. Just a little pre-mature IMO.

 

Jan 14, 2016

TOP 10 SHOOTING GUARDS

1. Michael Jordan

Teams
Chicago Bulls (1984-93, 1995-98), Washington Wizards (2001-03)

Honors
Five-time MVP (1987-88, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, 1997-98), six-time Finals MVP, 14-time All-Star, 11-time All-NBA selection, nine-time All-D selection, 10-time NBA scoring champion, Defensive Player of the Year (1987-88), Rookie of the Year (1984-85), Hall of Fame

Championships
6 (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)

Career stats
30.1 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 5.3 APG, .497 FG%

The player
The GOAT. I have nothing insightful to add here. -- Kevin Pelton, ESPN Insider

The best combination of brains, guile, athleticism and competitiveness in NBA history. He could do everything, and no one's done it better at any position. -- Rob Peterson, ESPN.com

People understandably talk about his six championships and 10 scoring titles, but Jordan once reeled off 10 triple-doubles in an 11-game stretch and led the NBA in scoring and steals in the same season three times. -- Micah Adams, ESPN Stats & Info

His impact is still felt to this day. Who else could sell 25-year-old sneakers at $200 a pop to a generation of kids who never even saw him play? -- Adam Reisinger, ESPN.com

2. Kobe Bryant

Teams
Los Angeles Lakers (1996-present)

Honors
MVP (2007-08), two-time Finals MVP, 17-time All-Star, 15-time All-NBA selection, two-time NBA scoring champion

Championships
5 (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010)

Career stats
25.2 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.8 APG, .449 FG%

The player
Was Kobe the next Michael Jordan? Not quite, but he came as close as anyone who tried and created a legend of his own in the process. -- Reisinger

The greatest maker of tough shots in NBA history, and I mean that as both a compliment and a criticism. -- Pelton

Few players have been the subject of as much debate, but he won five titles and ranks as the third all-time leading scorer; it won't take long before we wonder what all the arguing was about. -- Bradford Doolittle, ESPN Insider

Love him or hate him, we won't see another player like Kobe. -- Peterson

3. Jerry West

Teams
Los Angeles Lakers (1960-1974)

Honors
Finals MVP (1969), 14-time All-Star, 12-time All-NBA selection, five-time All-D selection, Hall of Fame

Championships
1 (1972)

Career stats
27.0 PPG, 6.7 APG, 2.6 SPG, .474 FG%

The player
A legendary performer in the postseason, West averaged 40.6 points per game in the 1965 playoffs (Jordan is the only other player in NBA history to average 40 points per game for an entire postseason) and remains the only player from a losing team to win Finals MVP (in 1969). -- Adams

Consider how great you have to be to earn a reputation as one of the best clutch performers ever despite your team losing eight times in nine trips to the Finals. Only West could do it. -- Pelton

What amazes me most about West is how he switched to point guard late in his career ... and led the league in assist average. -- Doolittle

As relentlessly competitive and prolific as Jordan; there's a reason West's silhouette is the NBA's logo. -- Peterson

4. Dwyane Wade

Teams
Miami Heat (2003-present)

Honors
Finals MVP (2006), 11-time All-Star, eight-time All-NBA selection, three-time All-D selection, NBA scoring champion (2008-09)

Championships
3 (2006, 2012, 2013)

Career stats
23.8 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 5.8 APG, .489 FG%

The player
One of the rare athletes who, in his prime, could do anything on either end of the floor, whether it was flying to the rim or, as one of the best shot-blocking guards of all time, denying at the rim. -- Peterson

It's a testament to Wade's uncanny shot-making and driving ability that he's considered one of the greatest shooting guards of all time despite never developing a reliable jump shot. -- Adams

Wade is responsible for one of the best individual Finals performances of all time when he brought the Heat back from a nearly 3-0 deficit in the Finals to win his first ring, averaging 34.7 PPG, 7.8 RPG and 3.8 APG. -- Reisinger

Wade's willingness to adapt his game to fit around Hall of Famers Shaquille O'Neal and LeBron James in service of winning titles will be his legacy. --Doolittle

5. Clyde Drexler

Teams
Portland Trail Blazers (1983-1995), Houston Rockets (1995-1998)

Honors
10-time All-Star, five-time All-NBA selection, Hall of Fame

Championships
1 (1995)

Career stats
20.4 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 5.6 APG, 2.0 SPG

The player
I can think of no worse timing than being a high-flying shooting guard at the same time as Michael Jordan. Drexler would have owned most other eras, and deservedly so. -- Pelton

A tremendous pure athlete, Drexler had to develop the skill part of his game at the NBA level and did so with great success. -- Doolittle

Drexler averaged more rebounds, assists, steals and blocks than Kobe Bryant for his career, while also shooting a higher percentage from the floor. And Drexler never missed the postseason during his 15-year career. -- Adams

Though he couldn't get Portland over the hump, getting a ring with the Rockets put the cherry on top of an excellent career. -- Reisinger

6. Allen Iverson

Teams
Philadelphia 76ers (1996-2006, 2009-2010) Denver Nuggets (2006-2008) Detroit Pistons (2008-2009) Memphis Grizzlies (2009)

Honors
MVP (2000-01) 11-time All-Star, seven-time All-NBA selection, four-time NBA scoring champion, Rookie of the Year (1996-97)

Championships
None

Career stats
26.7 PPG, 6.2 APG, 3.7 RPG, 2.2 SPG

The player
Often referred to as the best "pound for pound" player of his time, Iverson remains a larger-than-life figure to basketball fans of his generation. --Reisinger

He stands as the paragon of an era where creating difficult shots was preferable to scoring easy ones. -- Pelton

While the isolation plays he loved are going out of favor, his combination of athleticism and relentlessness helped carry many offensively challenged Sixers squads into the postseason. -- Peterson

The signature Reeboks, the cornrows, the long shorts, the swagger. The Answer is on the short list of the most influential players in league history. -- Adams

7. George Gervin

Teams
San Antonio Spurs (1976-1985) Chicago Bulls (1985-1986)

Honors
Nine-time All-Star, seven-time All-NBA selection, four-time NBA scoring champion

Championships
None

Career stats
26.2 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 2.8 APG, .511 FG%

The player
So smooth that it wasn't until you looked at the stat sheet that you noticed he had dropped 35 on you. He was the epitome of effortlessness. -- Peterson

Among the handful of most iconic signature moves in basketball history, Gervin's finger roll has to rank up there. -- Doolittle

Professional scorer. Efficient from the perimeter in the era before the 3-point line. -- Pelton

One of the greatest scorers of all time, Gervin's four scoring titles are bested only by Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan. -- Adams

8. Ray Allen

Teams
Milwaukee Bucks (1996-2003), Seattle SuperSonics (2003-2007), Boston Celtics (2007-2012), Miami Heat (2012-2014)

Honors
10-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA selection

Championships
2 (2008, 2013)

Career stats
18.9 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 3.4 APG, .400 3PT%

The player
Maybe the purest shooter of all time, Ray Allen's stroke is the basketball equivalent of Ken Griffey Jr.'s swing. The all-time leader in made 3-pointers, nobody created more fear off the ball than Allen. -- Adams

He really proved how, in the 21st century, a player could provide elite value without dominating the ball. -- Doolittle

Everybody knows about the shooting, but it wasn't until he got to Seattle that Allen really got to showcase his underrated all-around game, including the ability to create off the dribble. -- Pelton

His work ethic led to precision which led to his sangfroid when the chips were down. Just ask the Spurs. -- Peterson

9. Reggie Miller

Teams
Indiana Pacers (1987-2005)

Honors
Five-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA selection, Hall of Fame

Championships
None

Career stats
18.2 PPG, 3.0 RPG, 3.0 APG, .395 3PT%

The player
Miller's shooting form challenged the orthodoxy of what a great shooter looked like, but he could get his shot off and make it consistently with range. --Doolittle

His career had a relatively low peak, but what longevity! According to Basketball-Reference.com, only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had more seasons with six-plus win shares. -- Pelton

Miller's playoff exploits, even without a title to go with them, are legendary, perhaps in part because they so often came at the hands of the Knicks. --Reisinger

Antagonistic and cold-blooded with the skills to back it up. A classic "I don't like him, but would love to have him on my team" kind of player. -- Peterson

10. Earl Monroe

Teams
Baltimore Bullets (1967-1971), New York Knicks (1971-1980)

Honors
Four-time All-Star, All-NBA selection (1968-69), Rookie of the Year (1967-68), Hall of Fame

Championships
1 (1973)

Career stats
18.8 PPG, 3.9 APG, 3.0 RPG, .464 FG%

The player
One of the first -- and best -- combo guards. He could run the offense or k--- you without the ball. -- Peterson

Monroe could have been one of the NBA's greatest point guards of all time, but ended up sharing a backcourt with Walt Frazier. So he applied his skills to becoming a legendary shooting guard. -- Reisinger

Monroe was one of the most creative scorers of his time. Had he played today's era, he would have been a regular on the SC Top 10. -- Adams

Not particularly athletic, Pearl was one of the game's great improvisers, fondly remembered for his style as much as his substance. -- Doolittle

Do you guys agree with this top 10? If not, what would be yours? T-Mac & Vince Carter would be in the top 10 for me, not sure where but I'd definitely have them over Miller & Monroe.

 

Jan 14, 2016

Via ESPN.com @NBAsxn

To create All-Time #NBArank, we put together a ballot with the 150 greatest players ever. Then our ESPN expert panel voted on thousands of head-to-head matchups, with voting based on both peak performance and career value. The result is our all-time NBA Top 100.

The Top 100 will begin to roll out next week. Meanwhile, we are presenting the top 10 by position.

TOP 10 POINT GUARDS

1. Magic Johnson

Teams
Los Angeles Lakers (1979-91, 1995-96)

Honors
Three-time MVP (1986-87, 1988-89, 1989-90), three-time Finals MVP, 12-time All-Star, 10-time All-NBA selection, Hall of Fame

Championships
5 (1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)

Career stats
19.5 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 11.2 APG, .520 FG%

The player
The greatest point guard in NBA history. Magic had unparalleled vision; he could see players get open and deliver the ball beforethey even realized they were open. He could play any spot on the court as well. --J.A. Adande

His Game 6 in the 1980 Finals, while jumping center as a 20-year-old rookie, has to be on the Mt. Rushmore of greatest postseason performances in league history. --Micah Adams

No one was more dynamic, or magical, with the ball in the open court than Earvin Johnson. He lifted the Lakers, and transition basketball, to ethereal levels. He was transcendent. -- Rob Peterson

One can only imagine how impressive his career totals might have been if not for the HIV virus. He had the best peak for any point guard in NBA history, hands down. -- Kevin Pelton

2. Oscar Robertson

Teams
Cincinnati Royals (1960-70), Milwaukee Bucks (1970-74)

Honors
MVP (1963-64), 12-time All-Star, 11-time All-NBA selection, Rookie of the Year (1960-61), Hall of Fame

Championships
1 (1971)

Career stats
25.7 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 9.5 APG, .485 FG%

The player
Mr. Triple Double was so far ahead of his time in terms of size, speed, strength and stats. -- Peterson

He was the forerunner of Magic Johnson and LeBron James, and it's telling that both of those stars revere the Big O. -- Brad Doolittle

Robertson's averaging a triple-double in 1961-62 is probably overrated because it was a product of the fast-paced play in the 1960s, but his role in the Milwaukee Bucks' early '70s championship run is probably underrated. --Pelton

Perhaps the most incredible part of the Big O's triple-double season is that he finished third in MVP voting (behind winner Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain, who averaged 50.4 PPG). -- Adams

3. John Stockton

Teams
Utah Jazz (1984-2003)

Honors
10-time All-Star, 11-time All-NBA selection, five-time All-D selection, Hall of Fame

Championships
None

Career stats
13.1 PPG, 10.5 APG, 2.2 SPG, .384 3P%

The player
Surely the most underappreciated great player in NBA history because he was quietly dependable rather than flashy and never broke through on the biggest stage. The true driving force of his partnership with Karl Malone. -- Pelton

So precise with his passes and timely with his shots. His huge hands allowed him to pass as effectively with one hand as most could with two. -- Adande

He led the NBA in assists nine straight seasons from 1987 to 1996. -- Adams

He could hurt defenses in so many ways: Controlling tempo was one, and he was a h--- of a defender, too. -- Peterson

4. Stephen Curry

Teams
Golden State Warriors (2009-present)

Honors
MVP (2014-15), two-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA selection

Championships
1 (2015)

Career stats
21.6 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 6.9 APG, .441 3P%

The player
The best shooter ever not just in terms of accuracy but also in creatively getting looks with but a sliver's opening and with unlimited range. -- Doolittle

Over the past season and a half, Curry has played point guard as well as anyone else in NBA history. -- Pelton

No player his size, 6-foot-3, has ever bent defenses to his will as Curry does. --Peterson

He's one of only a few players in history who has been deemed too good for the sport's own good. -- Haberstroh

5. Isiah Thomas

Teams
Detroit Pistons (1981-94)

Honors
Finals MVP, 12-time All-Star, five-time All-NBA selection, Hall of Fame

Championships
2 (1989, 1990)

Career stats
19.2 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 9.3 APG, 1.9 SPG

The player
Thomas was ultra-quick with the ball and, at any moment, could pull up for a deadly jump shot. At 6-foot-1, he's the shortest NBA Finals MVP in league history, a reflection of his unique ability to dominate at the point guard position. -- Adande

The only players in NBA history with more games with 20 points and 10 assists are Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson. -- Adams

Thomas was as tough as they come, could score with the best of them (such a sweet stroke) and, make no mistake, was the baddest of the Bad Boys. --Peterson

Thomas' willingness to share the spotlight helped make the Bad Boy Pistons incredible, and he had a consistent ability to step up his game in the postseason during Detroit's title runs (and near miss in 1988). -- Pelton

6. Chris Paul

Teams
New Orleans Hornets (2005-11), Los Angeles Clippers, (2011-present)

Honors
Eight-time All-Star, seven-time All-NBA selection, seven-time All-D selection, Rookie of the Year (2005-06)

Championships
None

Career stats
18.7 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 9.9 APG, 2.3 SPG

The player
The classic definition of a point guard, orchestrating offense and shooting when necessary. One of the best -- and quickest -- lob passers the game has ever seen. -- Adande

The best two-way small player in league history, Paul embodies the era in which he plays by running the pick-and-roll as well as anyone has ever run it. --Doolittle

Perhaps someday Paul will reach the conference finals and we can focus more on his incredible accomplishments as a scorer, distributor and defender and less on his teams' inability to turn them into deep playoff runs. -- Pelton

If he had played with The Mailman or a defense as stout as the Pistons, he might have made a couple of Finals by now. -- Peterson

7. Steve Nash

Teams
Phoenix Suns (1996-98, 2004-12), Dallas Mavericks (1998-2004), Los Angeles Lakers (2012-15)

Honors
Two-time MVP (2004-05, 2005-06), eight-time All-Star, seven-time All-NBA selection

Championships
None

Career stats
14.3 PPG, 3.0 RPG, 8.5 APG, .428 3P%

The player
Wayne Gretzky on the court, Nash could hurt opponents by getting rid of the ball quickly or by holding on to it for so long that the defense finally made a mistake. -- Adande

Nash is the only player in history to go 50-40-90 while averaging 10 assists per game. He did it not once, not twice, but three times. -- Adams

For nine consecutive years, Nash's teams led the NBA in offensive rating. Still, Nash's greatest historical legacy will be paving the way for Stephen Curry and a new generation of point guards in a league that embraced point guards making plays with a wide-open court. -- Pelton

Today's children will ask, "Who was the Steph Curry before Steph Curry?" Nash is the answer. -- Haberstroh

8. Jason Kidd

Teams
Dallas Mavericks (1994-96, 2008-12), Phoenix Suns (1996-2001), New Jersey Nets (2001-08), New York Knicks (2012-13)

Honors
10-time All-Star, six-time All-NBA selection, nine-time All-D selection, co-Rookie of the Year (1994-95)

Championships
1 (2011)

Career stats
12.6 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 8.7 APG, 1.9 SPG

The player
Probably the most versatile point guard in NBA history, and perhaps a tad underrated given that the focus on his assists overshadowed how valuable his defense was. -- Kevin Pelton, NBA Insider

May be the strongest point guard ever and consistently made everyone around him better. -- Tom Haberstroh, NBA writer

No guard in NBA history pulled down more rebounds than Kidd, who finished with more career rebounds than Willis Reed and Alonzo Mourning, among others. -- Adams

Combined savvy with underrated strength. Went from dominating games strictly with his passing to making the fifth-most 3-pointers in NBA history. --Adande

9. Walt Frazier

Teams
New York Knicks (1967-1977), Cleveland Cavaliers (1977-1980)

Honors:
7-time All-Star, 6-time All-NBA selection, 7-time All-D selection, Hall of Fame

Championships
2 (1970, 1973))

Career stats
18.9 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 6.1 APG, .490 FG%

The player
Paradoxically tough on the court and flashy off of it, Frazier epitomized the '70s-era backcourt style in which roles were less defined. -- Doolittle

The great Knicks ball-movement offense started with him. -- Peterson

A menace on both ends of the court, Frazier was at his best in the 1970 NBA Finals when tallied 36 points, 19 assists, 7 rebounds in a title-clinching Game 7. -- Adams

The fashion forerunner to Russell Westbrook. -- Adande

10. Bob Cousy

Teams
Boston Celtics (1950-1963), Cincinnati Royals (1969-70)

Honors
MVP (1956-57), 13-time All-Star, 12-time All-NBA selection, Hall of Fame

Championships
6 (1957, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963)

Career stats
18.4 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 7.5APG, .375 FG%

The player
The undisputed first great point guard, Cousy remains the only guard in NBA history to be named First-Team All-NBA in 10 straight seasons. -- Adams

An early ballhandling wizard, he was a point guard who was a focal point at a time when the game was dominated by big men. -- Adande

Possessed incredible court vision and creativity, all while orchestrating the frenetic game pace of his era. -- Doolittle

Cousy was an And-1 mix tape in black-and-white. He was a master at leading the fastbreak, which led to Celtics titles. When people think of NBA point guards, he set the mold. -- Peterson

Do you guys agree with their list? Personally I wouldn't have Curry above Isiah, CP3, Nash, or Kidd. What would your top 10 be?

 

Jan 14, 2016

yeah haha i mean super distant tho... it's something like my mom's cousin's family plus some marriage stuff i don't really know lol... i just know if there's ever a family reunion, i better meet him.

maaan nash was the s--- tho so i'm glad he took those away from kobe haha

 

Jan 14, 2016

Maybe it's just childhood nostalgia but it bothers me that T-Mac & VC aren't on that list.

 

Jan 14, 2016

Yeah I suppose I got carried away with his potential. But the list said they voted based on both peak performance and career value. Curry has been in insane form. But yeah I wouldn't put Curry above Isiah yet.


That SG list. Greatest position of all time.