Apr 10, 2016

Sucks that narsh was the one to make it so this gonna turn into a thug hate thread.

 

Apr 10, 2016

Why do trap fans always assume that people don't like trap rappers because they're close minded. Its like real hip hops fans that think people who don't listen to "lyrical" rap are less intelligent. The hypocrisy on both sides is pretty obvious.

 

Apr 10, 2016

Memebers of other genres constantly show new and progressive hip hop artists more love than people within the genre. It's always isolated to a few people like Kanye who take it upon themselves to continually cosign and push the genre.

Is this because the genres relatively so young? That it was born out of such a heavy political context that it's difficult for people to see that it's becoming more and more removed from that, well, restriction? What is it?

Why when young thug makes a tribute for an opposing g--- member who passed away, with everyone dressed in all blue, at the gas station he was shot at, while singing "stop the killings," it's not as revered as Kendrick calling people from his hood "jigaboos"

Do you guys listen to music or just skim thru it? Is a certain style so off putting that you can't help but project your own bias on the material day in and day out?

I don't get it...why isn't hip hop more accepting as a whole? Why is it so narrow minded?

 

Apr 10, 2016

This thread makin me realize how goat kanye really is

 

Apr 10, 2016

lmao at listening to any other music outside hip hop

 

Apr 10, 2016

Thanks! It was a travesty that I didn't get nominated for best avy in the Member Awards.

 

Apr 10, 2016

It's not just about thug, he's just an example

It's like people have a set example of what hip hop "should be" more than they do for any other genre and they don't see that it's actually hurting the genre

 

Apr 10, 2016

responding to this so the eminem saying n----- thread isnt the only popping thread

 

Apr 11, 2016

I'm going to give a pretty long response to this, so bare with me.

This isn't anything new within hip hop, or music in general.

Back in the 90's almost every artist had "haters" and people criticized them to death about their weaknesses. Yes, legends like Biggie, Pac, Nas, Jay Z, DMX, Wu Tang, etc all had haters and people that bashed them, old heads and new fans. There's always been a divide.

My dad would bash bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam in the 90's and boasted about the Beatles and Led Zeppelin (both were great in their own rights).

However, hopefully I can shed light to why both sides are getting hated on. I'll play a bit of Devil's Advocate here.

Speaking as a person who loves lyricism, and "against trap".

If you are rapping (which, let's face it, trap music IS rapping) you should honor all forms of the genre in which you are performing.

I've heard some of them dismiss the art form and say they're "rock stars" or they're "not trying to be lyrical"...

I think THAT'S where the divide is happening.

It completely alienates them from the rest of hip hop, as if they think they're better than rap.

Well, if that's the case, you're isolating yourself from a very large fan base that might actually look at your new hip hop sound as "innovative" and "progressive" if you honored that aspect of hip hop.

I just saw a YouTube video, where this guy Uzi or whatever refused to spit on an "old a--- Primo" beat, yet I'm supposed to respect him as a versatile and creative rapper/artist, who is trying to progress the music?

I feel like, if you're musically inclined within the genre, that should be fairly easy to do, unless you are narrow minded.

So, instead of me giving this kid a shot, I'm sitting here like, why is this dude f---ing rapping then, but then saying he's not a rapper? lol. I was willing to give him a shot, but then he just dismissed one of my all time favorite producers and styles of rap, just because he felt offended, and/or needed to protect trap music...

I mean, in all honesty, lyricism within rap has taken TONS of steps forward since the 90's. Just look at battle rap alone, and how advanced the lyricism is from back then. But, the same could be said about production and music.

But, that's why I think trap rappers should do better lyrically, or even try becoming more versatile and expansive. They claim they're doing that, but they really aren't.

Here's my argument for trap fans and against "real hip hop"

I think the "real hip hop fan" movement is just as bad.

Most of these rappers just rhyme blatant nonsense, but mix it with syllable rhyme patterns and forced punchlines and pawn it off as real hip hop just because it's kind of lyrical.

I enjoy versatility within artists, whether or not their subject matter is narrow.

Jay Z rapped about, basically, the same thing for 10 plus albums, but I was still engaged as a listener because his music changed and evolved. Every album sounded different and fresh.

Kanye West has an amazing discography because he is constantly changing and evolving, and not only that, but I feel he progresses trends within the genre, and mixes it with fairly good to great lyricism.

On the flip side, Nas' discography SOUNDS the same, because he never really evolved with the sounds of hip hop, but he made every single song and album feel different through his story telling abilities.

Most old school head or even "new" real hip hop fans think that if you don't have a fast rap, or intricate lines, that the song is wack lol.

Not only that, but how quickly the discredit the trap sound is crazy. Before a song even gets played, they just write it off like it's corny or not real rap... At least give it a chance, s---.

So?

The real problem is, both sides are pretty narrow minded and don't see that, in order for hip hop to progress, there needs to be a mixture of both sounds within it. There are tons of trap fans, but also tons of fans for lyrics. Both sub genres should honor that, and attempt to branch out. I think BOTH sides get offended when their music is discredited, so then they move farther away from each other rather than combining the sounds and respecting each other.

Both sides are actually right, in a way. You listen to "real hip hop" and it starts sounding the same, and you listen to trap, it starts sounding the same. I'd like to see more versatility by both sides.

Hopefully that helps.

 

Apr 10, 2016

The fact that Young Thug has a career means Rap music is very accepting. You want KRS-One to kiss his a--- or something? I think the dude who didn't want to rap over DJ Premier's beat on Hot 97 brought up a good point. That's not his sound, that's not who he caters to and that's not the producer his fans expect him to use. Lots of people in Rap music disagree. What's popping now commercially, will be viewed as dust in a few years. The people who are in their teens now will be the old timers when they reach their late 20's, early 30's. Rap is youth oriented and for that reason there will always be a generational clash. I've had conversations with young people who won't listen to Rap before the year 2005 and older people who stopped listening to Rap in the early 90's. This isn't a genre that will ever reach a general consensus across generations. It's not designed for that.

 

Apr 10, 2016

- DP

 

Apr 10, 2016

people are shifting from this breh. I realize its still there somewhat but not nearly as much as it once was. Kanye has literally broken all rules in hip hop to make it easier for a bunch of artists to veer away from conventional rap standards. Listen to the kids, bro.

 

Apr 10, 2016

fam i get a text at least 3 times a week about how he listening to infinite or sslp and how goat it is. And then how mmlp 2 would be a classic if u remove a couple tracks. smh

 

Apr 10, 2016

I know what you're saying tbh. I have a very intelligent friend- also Indian- that only listens to Hopsin, Technyne, and Eminem. He hates trap music but doesn't even know why. Probably cause of that trap parody that Hopsin made. I think listening to old rap makes him feel more aware than others. We argue a lot about his hate for trap. I like Kendrick, Cole. chance, drake, Kanye and I don't even listen to that much trap so he's always confused why i defend it so much. As you've noticed on this forum, people like that are often socially awkward and and need "lyrical" rap to fill their void in this world. I only argue with him about it cause I know it's not healthy to hate something without reason. The ironic thing is that he LOVES panda- the bootlegged version of trap. I've thought of pointing this out to him, but I don't want to break his bubble.

 

Apr 10, 2016

Yes. Its obviously not about just thug, this mentality has been prevalent in hip hop for decades. Wayne, drake, 50 etc got the same treatment. Anybody that brought anything new/innovative/different/original to the table gets criticized by the casual hip hop community for it.

Maybe it is because of the relatively young age of the genre. It's like people are still too attached to the roots of it to accept its growth.
Like if you listen to old ramones records they explicitly blare out their anger of how rocknrolls changing. I guess its just part of the cycle.

 

Apr 10, 2016

Anyone who derails is getting thread banned. This is actually a good topic.