Apr 10, 2016

Well I guess the larger point is -- why does it have to be to be considered worthwhile? Some
of the best music ever is simply about love and sex, same as thug.

It's how narrow minded hip hop is that obsecures this fact

 

Apr 10, 2016

That classic sound was actually a progression in itself, hip hop wasn't like that when it first came out.

 

Apr 10, 2016

I don't think this is an issue is as bad as you claim. People can make jokes all they want but someone like Young Thug is getting love from people to Kanye to TI to Elton John. Someone like him would have never been receiving this type of respect and admiration years ago, but he does now because the genre is more expansive, accepting, and diverse as its ever been and it'll continue to be that way.

What you said about the OP in terms of the King Troup song compared to Kendrick on Untitled 2, personally Kendrick is on a higher status as an artist that speaks on these social issues, and his writing for the most part is more compelling on these issues so people are more likely to pay attention compared to a guy like thugger who's just scraping the surface on his writing ability.

 

Apr 10, 2016

i mean its pretty easy to see that s--- is changing
pretty fast imo

 

Apr 10, 2016

 

Apr 10, 2016

I'm not saying it can't. There's room for everything. But a lot of core fans like to act like there isn't.

 

Apr 10, 2016

Sigh

I guess so

 

Apr 10, 2016

Still struggling to read

Instead of responding how bout give reading the thread another shot. Take ur time too, you clearly need it

 

Apr 10, 2016

"It's not healthy to hate something without reason"

Spot on

Tell ur friend I said he's a disappointment to brown people everywhere

 

Apr 10, 2016

To answer the OP, it's a stereo-type thing. Hip-hop has always changed throughout the decades but for the most part it's been a slow change. From the 70's to the 80's, from the 80's to the 90's, the genre's sound did alter but it remained rooted in technical ability. If you could spit clever rhymes over a boom bat beat, you were considered dope. That soon began to change towards the late 90's and especially at the turn of the century. Artists like Diddy, 50 Cent, Ja Rule, Nelly etc. began to emerge with music less rooted in technical ability (rhyming multis, fast delivery, etc.) and more rooted in catchy, sing-along tunes. That's where I think the divide really started to begin. You had hip-hop fans push away rappers that sang because they weren't staying true to what the genre was from the 70's-90's. Then you had the other fans who got on board with the new sound. Now it's just become this overwhelming stereo-type of if you make different or unique sounding hip-hop music, it's not "real hip-hop." @Narsh

 

Apr 10, 2016

Maybe people are afraid it'll die out like rock n roll and jazz once mainstream touches it.

 

Apr 10, 2016

Re: Kanye TI and Elton. That was part of my point in the OP -- the general public ignore and dismiss progression to the point that select members of the industry always have to play the role of sheparding in change

And elton is part of what I was talking about re: artists from other genres (from elton to even like bowie or Cobain) showing support more than the actual core fanbase of hip hop

They dont place the same arbitrary restrictions on the genre as so called hip hop heads

 

Apr 10, 2016

I don't see how hip hop is narrow minded? Who are you referring to?

 

Apr 10, 2016

"Real hip-hop fans"

 

Apr 10, 2016

I feel you. But again DJ premier is a hip-hop head and said he studied Thug and Rich Homie. Cole is a more conventional hip-hop artist and he praised young thug's flows. I do understand where you're coming from and there will always be resistance to change but I feel like now more than ever people are more accepting than they've ever been and thats reflected in the general public too. And that will only increase with time. Even with other genres you will still find some fans that long for conventional rock n roll an criticize the new alternative movement. I'm not sure its necessarily genre specific. There will always be this type of resistance, but I feel like hip-hop is improving in terms of acceptance.

 

Apr 10, 2016

If thug were to sell 100,000 copies first week would you have made this thread?

 

Apr 10, 2016

I get what ur saying narsh, but i personally haven't ran across people in real life that hate on future/young thug. Even my one friend who's an eminem stan and "real hip hop fan" loves thug and future. Like @Kold saying its becoming more and more accepted in mainstream culture. I mean you have a bootleg future song "panda" charting higher than any actual future song. Trap is the wave right now tbh. Only a couple of artists aren't hopping on the trap wave. Even drake did an album with future

 

Apr 10, 2016

Right and my point is that those are arbitrary distinctions to be making and ultimately harmful to the genre as a whole

 

Apr 10, 2016

But the way to stop something from dying out is progression. Like, hip hop deff would've died out if s--- still sounded like it did in the 80s/90s