Apr 10, 2016

 

Apr 10, 2016

"everyone is entitled to their opinion unless its not mine"

 

Apr 10, 2016

you can't claim "oh this just my opinion" when stating s--- as facts

 

Apr 10, 2016

when did i state s--- as facts? i said "thugger represents everything wrong with the black community" that cant be taken as a fact only an opinion since its coming from someone on a website lmao

 

Apr 10, 2016

you are still stating it as a fact

 

Apr 10, 2016

Yeah no I'm not gonna go out of my way not to trigger r-----s

 

Apr 10, 2016

Except if you can read I said literally multiple times that this isn't about people not liking certain artists

 

Apr 10, 2016

Seriously this thread would be 4 pages shorter if people could read

 

Apr 10, 2016

Lol

 

Apr 10, 2016

 

Apr 10, 2016

just saying if you wanted a civil discussion, using young thug as an example right away was probably not a good idea

i tried to get us back to the more general topic but considering as soon as you mention thug, it becomes a young thug thread

 

Apr 10, 2016

how? lol ur jus saying i am u make no f---ing sense

 

Apr 10, 2016

Sux for the dumbasses who get triggered

The people I actually care to hear from wont be so its a win win tbh

 

Apr 10, 2016

a forewarning: don't listen to anything youbetterbelieveit says, he's just some skinny white nerd who loves eminem, tried to rap, and stanned yelawolf.

 

Apr 10, 2016

how about explaining how Thug represents the black community

 

Apr 10, 2016

I'm still confused how you used me citing thugs latest video where he dresses in opposing g--- colors to honor the passing of a friend and sings "stop the killing" at the gas station he was shot at as an example of thug promoting and being involved w g--- violence lmao

 

Apr 10, 2016

 

Apr 10, 2016

No lol

I agree that in the end this is soemthing all genres deal with it. But hip hop still has its own peculiarities. Such as the obsession w a specific sound or type of content

 

Apr 11, 2016

No s---

 

Apr 11, 2016

I'm going to give a pretty long response to this, so bare with me.

This isn't anything new within hip hop, or music in general.

Back in the 90's almost every artist had "haters" and people criticized them to death about their weaknesses. Yes, legends like Biggie, Pac, Nas, Jay Z, DMX, Wu Tang, etc all had haters and people that bashed them, old heads and new fans. There's always been a divide.

My dad would bash bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam in the 90's and boasted about the Beatles and Led Zeppelin (both were great in their own rights).

However, hopefully I can shed light to why both sides are getting hated on. I'll play a bit of Devil's Advocate here.

Speaking as a person who loves lyricism, and "against trap".

If you are rapping (which, let's face it, trap music IS rapping) you should honor all forms of the genre in which you are performing.

I've heard some of them dismiss the art form and say they're "rock stars" or they're "not trying to be lyrical"...

I think THAT'S where the divide is happening.

It completely alienates them from the rest of hip hop, as if they think they're better than rap.

Well, if that's the case, you're isolating yourself from a very large fan base that might actually look at your new hip hop sound as "innovative" and "progressive" if you honored that aspect of hip hop.

I just saw a YouTube video, where this guy Uzi or whatever refused to spit on an "old a--- Primo" beat, yet I'm supposed to respect him as a versatile and creative rapper/artist, who is trying to progress the music?

I feel like, if you're musically inclined within the genre, that should be fairly easy to do, unless you are narrow minded.

So, instead of me giving this kid a shot, I'm sitting here like, why is this dude f---ing rapping then, but then saying he's not a rapper? lol. I was willing to give him a shot, but then he just dismissed one of my all time favorite producers and styles of rap, just because he felt offended, and/or needed to protect trap music...

I mean, in all honesty, lyricism within rap has taken TONS of steps forward since the 90's. Just look at battle rap alone, and how advanced the lyricism is from back then. But, the same could be said about production and music.

But, that's why I think trap rappers should do better lyrically, or even try becoming more versatile and expansive. They claim they're doing that, but they really aren't.

Here's my argument for trap fans and against "real hip hop"

I think the "real hip hop fan" movement is just as bad.

Most of these rappers just rhyme blatant nonsense, but mix it with syllable rhyme patterns and forced punchlines and pawn it off as real hip hop just because it's kind of lyrical.

I enjoy versatility within artists, whether or not their subject matter is narrow.

Jay Z rapped about, basically, the same thing for 10 plus albums, but I was still engaged as a listener because his music changed and evolved. Every album sounded different and fresh.

Kanye West has an amazing discography because he is constantly changing and evolving, and not only that, but I feel he progresses trends within the genre, and mixes it with fairly good to great lyricism.

On the flip side, Nas' discography SOUNDS the same, because he never really evolved with the sounds of hip hop, but he made every single song and album feel different through his story telling abilities.

Most old school head or even "new" real hip hop fans think that if you don't have a fast rap, or intricate lines, that the song is wack lol.

Not only that, but how quickly the discredit the trap sound is crazy. Before a song even gets played, they just write it off like it's corny or not real rap... At least give it a chance, s---.

So?

The real problem is, both sides are pretty narrow minded and don't see that, in order for hip hop to progress, there needs to be a mixture of both sounds within it. There are tons of trap fans, but also tons of fans for lyrics. Both sub genres should honor that, and attempt to branch out. I think BOTH sides get offended when their music is discredited, so then they move farther away from each other rather than combining the sounds and respecting each other.

Both sides are actually right, in a way. You listen to "real hip hop" and it starts sounding the same, and you listen to trap, it starts sounding the same. I'd like to see more versatility by both sides.

Hopefully that helps.