May 15, 2016

Because it's an opinion, it's implied subjectivity. A person might scream until they're blue in the face that Album A is better than Album B, but ultimately that person's opinion is subjective. A person saying that their opinion is objective doesn't mean that it actually is. If a person says "in my opinion", subjectivity is implied hence why they would say that in the first place.

 

May 15, 2016

well my opinion is objective

 

May 15, 2016

Yeah but it doesn't matter if album a being better than album b is an opinion or not, the matter is that they say it's better, which can only be used to compare objective things

 

May 15, 2016

I only like the classic & critically acclaimed albums so I don't think it is. I'd consider myself as a guy with great tastes.

I'm liking this new jon album a lot, I expect it to be critically acclaimed in a few days

 

May 15, 2016

could you be any more of a blowhard.

 

May 15, 2016

Cool story bro

 

May 15, 2016

Puppet

 

May 16, 2016

ooOOOOoooh

 

May 16, 2016

because it is

 

May 16, 2016

Who?

 

May 16, 2016

The way i feel about it is that even though music enjoyment is something thats 100% opinion based, (good) critics do have substantial insight to offer. This also applies to the forum of course. Not to say, if critics happen to paint a certain album in a positive light that you should do so as well, but should at least be able to pick up some new information and get a new perspective on it. That may or may not affect the way you look at the music. Or that's how I use reviews at least.

But yeah @Mozes Rose you might have read a bit too literally into the bait comments on here.

 

May 16, 2016

You're being ridiculously semantic right now, and have a weird attachment to the terms "subjective" and "objective." When people say that, it's because their OPINION is that one album is better than the other.

 

May 16, 2016

@Mozes Rose It makes no difference if you think "better" is an "objective" term. When someone says that, they're expressing their opinion. That's the bottom f---ing line, dude. When someone says anything about music, no matter what words they use, they're expressing their opinion. That's why music is subjective. Holy s---.

 

May 16, 2016

I understand that lol

Obviously I use these words much because they're what the discussion is about

But even if it's your OPINION that one album is better than another, and if you use the word better, it is a comparative

You can't compare purely subjective things, you can't say green is worse than red or that sweet food is better than sour

That's why I think it's impossible to affirm music is absolutely subjective but still say "I think this album is better than that album" instead of "I like this album more than that album"

Edit: okay I didn't saw your last post my bad

 

May 16, 2016

Dude, why are you even having this discussion. You've clearly already decided what you believe, even if it makes no f---ing sense. I don't know why you care so much about the language of "subjective," "objective," "better" or "worse." If you'd get over that, you'd see what everyone else in this thread is saying. Language is a purely man-made construct. It doesn't define concepts like subjective and objective, which are philosophical. And music is inherently subjective.

 

May 16, 2016

I don't think that, it's true

Yeah but idc if it's their opinion.

Wether you say "mbdtf is a 9 and tpab a 8" or "I think mbdtf is a 9 and tpab a 8" changes nothing to the fact you think music can be rated following it's quality and by doing that you're saying it is objective.

 

May 16, 2016

dude. They're giving that rating based on their subjective ideas of what good music is. Good god you are being dense as f---.

 

May 16, 2016

So they're giving a subjective rating so it absolutely doesn't make sense to give a rating...

What's the point of giving an album a 9 if a 9 to you means something else than a 9 to everyone else?

 

May 16, 2016

Why not? It's just their opinion. They're expressing their opinion based on a standard that other people can use to judge the quality of the album, but the fact is, critics' opinions do not always align with your own. For christ's sake you just made a f---ing thread about this the other day that proves my point.

I'm starting to think you're just trolling at this point. Are you even going to address my point above that "subjective" and "objective" are philosophical terms, and thus all your s--- about language is irrelevant? Forget about "better" or "worse." Think about the IDEA of subjectivity and objectivity. Realize that the concept of music is inherently subjective.