Jul 8, 2016

But...the videos from this week aside, the data overwhelmingly suggests a racist bent to police practices today.

 

Jul 8, 2016

You're grabbing specific instances from the millions to hundreds of millions that happen each year. I don't think the data suggests what you think it does.

 

Jul 8, 2016

Ok? But @Koolo is right. It's still an individual person. Replace the word "police" with "Muslim" and you'd be arguing the complete opposite.

 

Jul 8, 2016

Even the creator of the Wire though says the series is more about classism. Obviously race place a massive part too, but it's a show largely about the poor, regardless of race.

 

Jul 8, 2016

I'm not grabbing specific instances--though those are egregious and informative--I'm looking at the totality of things. Look up the proportion of those killed by police, broken down by race, cross-reference that with US demographic data. Then do the same for simple traffic stops (the Justice Dept has the likelihood of a black driver being pulled over more than 30% higher than for a white driver). Try parsing the numbers for ticketed drug offenses vs. national demographic stats on drug use. Or go a step beyond and look at the rate of prosecution for people arrested for the same crimes, broken down by race.

@captain awesome

How f---ing naive would you have to be to look at race and class in America as distinct and unrelated things

 

Jul 8, 2016

Yeah you just took the L

 

Jul 8, 2016

@PRHYME sit this one out.

 

Jul 8, 2016

Did I? You just equated a police department with a religion and thought you made a solid argument LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

Jul 8, 2016

Which is completely reasonable, but one of the things WPG was trying to argue is that since the police officers decide to join this system they should all be morally held accountable for being part of it, which is not correct

If he meant legally, my bad, but that's the way I interpreted his comment

 

Jul 8, 2016

Did you think I was arguing that all police officers should be legally culpable, i.e.- put on trial for the actions of other cops in which they weren't involved? You really thought I was making that argument? Really? The part of my post you quoted argues exactly what CA's does in different words.

 

Jul 8, 2016

They are both institutions by definition. And I'm right lol. You're totally hypocritical.

 

Jul 8, 2016

Maybe I should clarify what I mean by not looking at this as an individual circumstance.

I'm not talking about holding all cops accountable because one person did something. I'm suggesting an audit of some sort on police departments just to ensure checks and balances are occurring.

 

Jul 8, 2016

No, I knew you was making the argument for police departments, and I agree with it, my issue was the moral aspect you was addresing in your comment

 

Jul 8, 2016

We're talking about actual, organizational institutions. Islam and the Los Angeles Police Department are not comparable organizations, you f---ing dolt.

One Muslim is not responsible for the actions of another Muslim he's never met or aided or interacted with. It makes no sense to argue that on legal or moral grounds. One Muslim does not represent Islam.

One police officer, on the other hand, does represent his police department. (If you can't figure out the difference between the two, I don't know you can navigate your computer to this website.)

A Muslim is not awarded a salary and the legal right to use deadly force based on his allegiance (usually cultural and familial) to Islam. A police officer is given both of those things when he chooses to work for a police department. Get the f--- outta here.

 

Jul 8, 2016

What issue with "the moral aspect"?

 

Jul 8, 2016

This kind of stuff has been happening for decades man

 

Jul 8, 2016

well, in a sense. it's a question of complicity. on the one hand, everyone's got families, and f--- you for judging a person trying to earn a living. that said, in situations like this, you really have to take a step back. police officers do NOT deserve to be murdered, but they're under an obligation to be good faith partners with their community and work to reform perceived institutional bias. many - even if they aren't racist, or murderers - are not smart, or theyre working class d----s responding with overly masculine, petty rhetoric.

so nothing changes. good for them, but theyre not exactly transcending their lot in life, or rly living up to the ideals of their profession.

 

Jul 8, 2016

The way I interpreted the bolded segment of your comment was that you were demonizing all police officers for working and joining a system that's inherently racist

 

Jul 8, 2016

Oh, I absolutely am. 100 percent.

 

Jul 8, 2016

because they get a free pass

you are not tackling the correct issue here