Jul 8, 2016

You cannot decrease police officers in the inner city and possibly think it will have positive results. These inner city cops are underpaid and over worked compared to suburban police and the amount of danger in the job is higher

 

Jul 8, 2016

also the amount of cops isnt really the issue here...not sure why the discussion turned to that

 

Jul 8, 2016

Cut it off with the s-----y petty insults and focus on what I'm saying here

The history of police forces holds no value when talking about whether the legal components that conform this institution are morally dubious or not

Like I already said before, the system attempts to make sure all legally doubtful cases go through court proceedings to make a veredict

Assuming that a good fraction of these cops trust this system to work, how can you morally blame them for the incompetence of the powers that be to provide justice to all citizens?

 

Jul 8, 2016

Generally... I asked you earlier about what percentage would it take for you to observe the majority and not the individual. If you don't want to answer that's cool, it's hypothetical anyways.

 

Jul 8, 2016

No. This is insane. Is there a language barrier here? Police departments have always been systemically and systematically racist. Therefore, choosing to become part of one is morally dubious.

How can you believe this when it's been shown time and time again to not be true?

This is not a sentence or a coherent thought or any collection of words that I can respond to.

 

Jul 8, 2016

Because you brought it up. (And the number of cops often is the issue, as increases in police numbers often lead to increases in harrassment and violence, which I've pointed out numerous times in this thread to deaf ears.)

 

Jul 8, 2016

i was doing what now ? pls dont mischaracterize my views

lol ok -- flag's on the field. time for pato 2 to become pato 3 or just bow out of this thread

 

Jul 8, 2016

How can all be morally held accountable for the actions of the goverment when they (the cops) trust a legal system that attempts to provide justice to all citizens?

 

Jul 8, 2016

Because any adult with an ounce of critical thinking skills can see how thoroughly broken--and yes, racist--the police departments have been for decades.

 

Jul 8, 2016

If they are broken, how are they fixed and if joining means you are part of the institutional problem, again, how do you fix it?

 

Jul 8, 2016

Which is completely debatable and holds no value when generalizing the intentions of all police officers

Dude, it's not that I necessarily disagree with what you're saying, but that though process you have going on is just wayyyy too far from accurate

 

Jul 8, 2016

Wait did @WPG just say it's suspect to wanna become a cop to protect and serve citizens?

 

Jul 8, 2016

Legislatively. You're not going to the one good cop who stops centuries of inertia in the institution.

Yes

I have basically lost the patience to try to explain every little bit of this to you step-by-step. It's not even a matter of agreeing or disagreeing on the substance of what we're talking about; the notion that individual cops' "intentions" are what's being discussed here is flatly and unambiguously wrong. You must be in a different thread than anyone else.

 

Jul 8, 2016

You sure?

 

Jul 8, 2016

Uh yes I'm sure, the posts you quoted support my side of this argument An individual's thoughts/feelings about the job are irrelevant here, because they're choosing to become an extension of a larger institution, from which they'll be inextricable. You are really struggling today, yikes.

 

Jul 8, 2016

What is a well intentioned person that wants to be a cop to do? @WPG is pretty much writing these people off as bad people. Like what the f---?

 

Jul 8, 2016

This in the UK

 

Jul 8, 2016

No, they absolutely aren't, because we are discussing the moral aspect of becoming cop and what it means to work for the system

Like I already said before, a good fraction of police officers trust in this legal system to work, your thoughts about the system and how it works are completely irrelevant when making such generalization (specially considering you're not providing a single source of data to prove what you're saying right now), therefore it's not only morally incorrect but biased and stupid

Not that complicated

 

Jul 8, 2016

Nice never ever seen a police officer interact with a world class athlete before.

 

Jul 8, 2016

Find another way to serve the people of that community. Not hard to do.

I'm not doing that at all--I'm saying they're making the dubious decision to involve themselves with a corrupt organization. How about you characterize my arguments properly, or is that too much to ask? Will this be the 17,529th thread where you come in saying something wild about my posts, then I explain, and you bring it down five notches?