Sep 11, 2015 I mean, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but IMO, there are so many ways to explain why republicans are acting the way they are that doesn't involve race. For starters, just looking at the political landscape in the West, parties are more divided than ever before. You think what they do to Obama is bad? Here in Canada, almost every bill that's been passed by our government has had a Supreme Court challenge. Also, the Republican Party has just moved further right in general, so opposing what Obama wants plays to their base extremely well. Being racist or using "coded language" doesn't even make political sense. If someone hates black people, they aren't going to vote for Obama. The republicans wouldn't need to play to them, because they're already going to vote in their favor. Meanwhile, that would alienate non-racists who would support the GOP
Sep 11, 2015 @Perry The Platypus agree to disagree, but my issue is i dont dispute what youre saying. theres a variety of reasons to oppose obama. im saying theres a racial undercurrent that shapes the intensity and rhetoric in some of the circles... and it isnt solely fringe cartoonish racists. i think you need to understand racism is more than lynching and saying COLOREDS ONLY. not acknowledging the existence of subtle racism, racial dog whistles is naive (edit: how else do u explain the surging popularity of a populist demagogue like donald trump?) and yes, politicians play to their base. and the republican base is increasingly racist, no? do you think all the racists in america seemly evaporated after lbj signed the civil rights act in 65? theres always been a significant racist, politically driven cosntiutency in the united states -- look at george wallaces campaign for president in 1976. or bill clinton shaming sister souljah in 92 or the popularity of strom thurmond into the 20th century. those all happen to be democrats, but nevertheless, over time, that constituency has increasingly aligned itself with the GOP and "playing to their base" involves fundraising, staving off primary contests -- this is politics 101 so your "political sense" point is, at best, naive. you understand how politics works (heh...right?), so pls dont utter such foolishness again to me.
Sep 11, 2015 I'm a big Obama fan and a big hater of the modern day GOP overall but I just don't buy that it's racist - aside from the whole birther thing, of course. They're just sore losers. Just wait and see how they treat President Hillary lol
Sep 11, 2015 no doubt it isnt one thing -- but i think there's an implicit racial component. there just is. they wouldnt be screaming " You Lie!" at hillary imo edit: theres a semi famous anecdote about boehner not bothering to take obamas call after like 930pm during the grand bargain talks. part of that illustrates how weak boehner is with his caucus.... but imo it also demonstrates the level of disrespect republican leaders give barack.
Sep 11, 2015 Man, I think you underestimate how hostile the GOP can be to the Clintons. Your point is taken though - there have no doubt been countless efforts to "delegitimize" Obama and his accomplishments over the years, and surely for some there's a racial component lurking I find that I frequently hear people citing Obama's rhetoric towards cops as a reason for violence towards cops...when I ask for examples they generally come up empty-handed. That sort of thing certainly feels racial
Sep 11, 2015 i think, after the 90s wars, impeachment, working with her in the senate, there's a grudging respect for hillary by the republican establishment (that, and she kind of is a dino in some ways?) -- but yeah, no doubt, as recent developments have proved, theres a fanatic rejection of ANY leading democrat by the gop. as u said, theyre sore losers
Sep 11, 2015 I don't disagree here. Subtle racism is all over America and other countries in the West as well. I just don't think that playing to racists really helps you, considering it alienates the undecideds. Politicians don't need money from racists when they have billionaires backing them. The republicans would already have the racist vote anyways, and with Obama in office, the racists likely don't need to be more motivated. I'm not naive and I don't think racism has evaporated, but candidates like Donald trump gaining support has absolutely nothing to do with racial sentiments. His popularity has been based around the fact that he's an outsider, coupled with his honest/ speak his mind approach.
Sep 11, 2015 so @Perry The Platypus u dont think trumps popularity has anything to do with his harsh rhetoric on hispanics? also, the billionaires backing tea party republicans are likely racist themselves. ur contradicting urself bruh. and yes, supporting fringe causes will hurt you ultimately -- but its lucractive and helps them win regional and statewide contests nonetheless.
Sep 15, 2015 Clinton cracked and has gone negative. It's a bold strategy cotton, let's see if it pays off for em.
Sep 27, 2015 The Bern only 7 points behind in some national polls now. The Debates will only help. It's a good thing his "surge was over" at 20 points nationally huh.
Nov 4, 2015 Just met Martin O'Malley -- not very personable (corrected me on the name of the county I grew up in.... had no opinion on whether the Orioles could resign Chris Davis this year, a softball toss he should've hit out of the park pardon the pun) Guy is wonky, but a stiff. Write in Biden
Apr 8, 2016 Why don't you just respond to any one of the points raised in the other thread other than just saying we are "talking s---"? Lol
Apr 8, 2016 I just did. But they weren't points. I explained why. This thread needs a bump anyways. That Bernie thread should not be the default Democratic Primary Thread.
