Jan 18, 2018

You’re the one that brought up hip-hop in a discussion that had nothing to do with hip-hop. I’m just responding to you.

It’s relevant because it’s an example of exactly what I stated in the beginning of that post. Skepticism has its limits. It can get to the point where you’re delusional. I used @Xmipod as an example because that’s what first popped up into my head. Look @VVebber who thinks not only is the mainstream media conspiring against trump but the intelligence community as well... delusional. These are things you would hear Alex Jones scream about.

19 women have accused Trump of sexual misconduct. You think all of them are lying? Keep in mind, Trump has a long history of paying women in his life “hush money.” “Innocent until proven guilty” is something courts stand by. This isn’t a court room. Do you think Bill Clinton is innocent as well?

Edit: I’ll leave this here too

 

Jan 18, 2018

no, in a discussion relating to mainstream media's credibility, I used an example of a famous person who is well known for similar views and was applauded for expressing said views. We are posting on a hip hop forum and I thought that someone being a fan of hip hop, perhaps they'd share that view?

Or, a better explanation, I implied that as a collective hip hop listeners are distrustful towards MSM (Something about an unnarmed black male getting murdered by police and having next to no media coverage) Again, this is relevant as we are on a hip hop forum. you may have mistaken this tab for your twitter feed though, so I understand the confusion.

Whether I think those 19 women are lying or not is irrelevant. Is there any hard evidence from those 19 accusations?
Also 'Innocent until proven guilty' isn't some court room thing, you idiot. f---ing lol. It's in the Universal Declaration of Human rights... That was written by the UN...

lmao. You want to make smart comments like this, huh? Ok smart guy, this isn't a American Politics forum, so f--- off forever?

 

Jan 18, 2018

 

Jan 18, 2018

I love you @c----

 

Jan 18, 2018

Hence why I responded with this:

That answers your question, no? What’s the issue here?

P.S. black men getting murdered by police gets TONS of media coverage. What are you even talking about?

It’s not irrelevant :S that’s entirely what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about people being extremely skeptical of media to the point of being delusional. If someone told me they thought all 19 of those women were lying & trump was completely innocent, i’d think they were delusional. Same goes for Bill Clinton. If someone told me he was innocent of sexual misconduct, that his accusers were all liars, delusional. Just because you don’t have evidence to prosecute in a court of law doesn’t mean your personal opinion is irrelevant. Everyone & their grandma knows OJ killed his wife yet he got off. I’d like to believe we all have the ability to critically think things through. So once again, do you think all 19 of those women are lying?

 

Jan 18, 2018

How does pointing out the U.S. IC's long-established history of politicizing intelligence and their lack of evidence of Russian meddling make me a conspiracy theorist? Were the doubters of the official version of the Gulf of Tonkin incident or of the story about Iraq's nonexistent WMDs totally delusional paranoiacs too?

 

Jan 18, 2018

what the f--- c----?
1. i didn't ask a question.
2. I explained my stance. there is no issue/question? shut the f--- up? lmao. like are you ESL? absolutely gobsmacked at what the f--- I am reading lol.

oh really me so stupid never look news. thank big smart enig for show me da troot!
I was obviously not referring to the past 2 or so years, where those kinds of stories are covered like wild fire and was (obviously) referring to recent times when America was much more disparaging towards black people. (Also you seen any live streams of riots stemming from low-income housing communities predominately filled with people of color, rioting due to an unarmed black man being shot dead? They are very liberal, very anti-trump and they all say "f--- the media" and tell any/all people with cameras to f--- off. They even get physically violent against them.)

Critically thinking =/= Knowing events that took place even though you weren't there

lol... this isn't relevant. As I already pointed out. This is essentially your opinion on someones innocence. know how much value i hold on that? 0. So, you are now asking me for my opinion on 19 women who accused someone of sexual assault...

In my opinion I don't know any of the 19 accusers, or any of Bill's accusers and I don't know Trump or Bill. Therefore there is inconclusive data for me to reach an informed opinion. I've never shared a conversation with any of these people. I just merely stated that it's a basic Human Right to be treated with innocence until proven guilty and until these people are found guilty, I will follow within the United Nations footsteps of basic human rights and say "Trump and Bill are both innocent until proven guilty". As I already stated, just less in-depth. Now, for some reason a mexican migrant who lives in america is asking for my opinion on the innocence of 20+ people who will never and has never met - yet the opinion of their innocence could only fairly be formed by knowing these people personally or by seeing hard evidence. Since I can't see evidence and I don't know any of them personally... (Who's the deluded one now??)
The accusers are innocent of perjury until proven guilty, Trump and Bill are innocent of sexual missconduct until proven guilty. That's how the UN works, that's how Human Rights work, you dipshit liberal who doesn't follow the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

 

Jan 18, 2018

Uhhhh....

You thought I might share the same view as a rap artists. I responded that I do not. So....like...again, I don’t see what your issue is with my response.

You can form your own conclusion through means of critical thinking.

So the fact that both Donald Trump & Bill Clinton have paid women who’ve accused them of sexual misconduct large amounts of money to drop cases, does nothing for you? That doesn’t give you even the slightest initiative to conclude that they probably took advantage of those women & they probably aren’t the only ones? I’m talking based on what we know about these cases & these individuals specially. The fact that both bill & trump have been caught lying about meeting and/or having sexual encounters with women does nothing? Its just one big question mark? For someone who’s so blunt, you seem to be really beating around the bush here. You can believe in “innocent until proven guilty” in a court of law while also maintaining your own personal opinion about a matter. The two don’t always coincide with eachother. The courts don’t always get it right unfortunately.

 

Jan 18, 2018

@Enigma

 

Jan 19, 2018

no i said users on a rap forum might share the same view - as you were so blatantly acting as if the slightest distrust concludes paranoia.

Yes but it doesn't mean it's right or wrong.

yeah, i really don't give a s--- about it.

no because I have better things to do with my time then wonder about whether someone is guilty or not for their actions that happened in another country when I will never ever know 100% what actually occurred.

what relevance does this have to the conversation?

also love how you bring up random r-----ed, specific, nit picky points with my posts but ignore the points where you were completely wrong. For example "innocent until proven guilty" being used in a court of law and this not be a court. When in reality, it's a basic human right given to people by the UN.

You also talk about this Bill/Trump s--- as if I know the cases back to front, well news flash for you, i don't sit on twitter for 10 hours a day ready tweets about sexual misconduct cases.

 

Jan 19, 2018

Not necessarily but it entirely depends on what’s being debated. Concluding that 19 women are liars & disregarding everything about Trump’s character & concluding he’s innocent would be pretty irrational.

So you’re playing the “I’m too cool for school” card now? Why did you even respond to my post. You clearly aren’t even trying anymore.

The UN is an intergovernmental organization. It’s a basic human right sworn to be upheld by countries who are apart of the UN. A right is a legal entitlement in which the government can’t infringe on. Neither of us are government entities nor are we representatives of any government. We can state opinions that differ from the conclusion of the courts. No human rights are being violated by doing that.

 

Jan 19, 2018

Washington Post apologises for underplaying WMD scepticism
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/aug/13/pressandpublishing.usa

But I'm a paranoid conspiracy theorist for raising questions about Russian meddling.

 

Jan 19, 2018

I'm about 90% sure I saw Trump's plane leaving Pittsburgh yesterday.

 

Jan 19, 2018

Government will shut down today if a funding bill is not signed by 12am EST. Democrats & some moderate Republicans want to attach a bipartisan DACA provision to the funding bill but other Republicans, including the president, don’t want it attached to the funding bill. This would be the first time the government has shut down when one party controls all major branches. Looks like the president may be willing to give Dems what they want though:

 

Jan 19, 2018

f--- u you communist!!!

 

Jan 20, 2018

It’s only fitting that on the first anniversary of trump’s presidency, the federal government shuts down. A candidate/president who constantly stroke his excellence of being such a great “deal maker,” couldn’t get a deal done. This is also the first time in history that the government has shut down while one party controls Congress + the White House. GOP continue to show their inability to govern.

Flashback:

 

Jan 20, 2018

The #2 Republican in the Senate was spreading Russian propaganda.

 

Jan 23, 2018

Senator Ron Johnson said in a radio interview that Peter Strzok, the FBI's top investigator on Russia-gate and on the Clinton email inquiry, sent a “jaw-dropping” text message two days after Mueller was appointed special counsel on the Russia-gate probe saying he saw no evidence of Trump campaign collusion. This is the same FBI agent Mueller fired from the probe supposedly for sending anti-Trump text messages.

The Hill:

@Enigma

 

Jan 23, 2018

*yawn*