Jun 22, 2018

You absolute moron, RCP said Clinton would win the popular vote by 3 points. She won by 2. That’s a normal polling error. Polls weren’t off by that much in 2016 - the issue was the conventional wisdom and media interpretation of those polls.

I have no idea why I took the time to provide you with facts though, Trump supporters always ignore reality or just move the goalposts when they’re proven wrong.

 

Jun 22, 2018

I'm team Charmander

 

Jun 22, 2018

“Trump culture”

 

Jun 22, 2018

The dude on the right is what I imagine you sound like in real life

 

Jun 22, 2018

Talk about being totally removed from reality. My God, man. The polls were like 8 points off on average during the election. The DNC's leaked emails showed that some of these polling firms that conduct political polls that get put into aggregates were skewing their results. They were deliberately missampling by going to areas that tilted to the left, which is why we had such a discrepancy in some of these cases. At one point CNN was literally like 12 points off the mark in their polling. That's not insignificant. That's way outside the normal margin of error. At some point that has to be systemic bias plus incompetence. It has to be a combination of both because neither of the two on their own can possibly achieve that.

But you thought Trump colluded with the Russians and obstructed justice months after it had become evident to any sane individual that he didn't, and I bet you're still holding your breath for Mueller to deliver those charges. You're the one living in a dream world, my friend.

 

Jun 22, 2018

you simply....aren’t correct https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...uch-did-polls-miss-the-mark-on-trump-and-why/

A couple states were off by a lot, which makes a difference in the electoral college, but the average poll was only off by a few points. Not materially better or worse than 2012.

Again, though - facts don’t matter

 

Jun 22, 2018

I’d rather sound like that than be on the side of the grown a--- man mocking a 10 year old with down-syndrome.

 

Jun 22, 2018

d--- enigma went in with that one not gonna lie

 

Jun 22, 2018

"I'm not correct" yet the article you linked echoes my main point, that the polls were biased.

Which brings me back to those leaked DNC emails, but you probably haven't read them since CNN said it was illegal for you to do so.

Granted I may have to wait a few months before I can assert that Trump's approval is decidedly higher than Obama's was.

 

Jun 22, 2018

lol



Take your L @Enigma

 

Jun 22, 2018

Even if this is true, it’s one photo. It doesn’t disregard the thousands of children who were separated from their parents. Children who still haven’t been reunited with their parents btw. Nonetheless, that’s if you believe ICE who have proven to be untrustworthy like most this administration.

 

Jun 22, 2018

Obama had twice as many kids in detention in response to them being handed off to human traffickers - that is, before he stopped enforcing the law.

 

Jun 22, 2018

Also, it was 1994 when this policy was enacted. You've been lied to.

 

Jun 22, 2018

Father of Honduran two-year-old who became the face of family separation crisis reveals daughter was never separated from her mother lol

Pure propaganda.

 

Jun 22, 2018

You’re moving goal posts. The outcry over trump’s no tolerance policy is that it emphasized separating children from their parents in order to deter people from crossing the border illegally. Obama & Bush’s administration only separated families in special circumstances. Your mental gymnastics aren’t working here bud.

 

Jun 22, 2018

Do you have evidence to back up that claim? No. Once again, this policy has been in existence since the '90s and has been enforced to varying degrees depending on the current president's immigration policies, not under “special circumstances,” unless you mean minors being turned over to human traffickers, but that is still a potential problem. At one point twice as many kids were being detained under Obama, for the short while he was actually following the law. You haven’t refuted any of this; instead you just parroted a phrase about goal posts from the other partisan stooge except when you said it, it didn’t even make sense.

Here's some pictures from the Obama era that CNN and the Washington Post won't show you.

 

Jun 22, 2018

Uhhh yeah, here’s the White House chief of staff back in March telling CNN that the administration was “considering” separating children from parents in order to deter illegal immigration:



Attorney General Jeff Sessions back in early May said this & then tried to lie about it:



The administration made this point very clear & then tried to cover their a--- when they got s--- for it.

 

Jun 23, 2018

John Kelly didn’t say anything that struck me as beyond the pale. It’s a statement of common sense that enforcing our immigration laws will deter people from illegally entering the country, as opposed to catch and release, which is a joke. Isn’t that the point of having and enforcing laws in the first place? Of course, this will automatically result in families becoming separated. Thus Jeff Sessions was correct when he said it’s not his fault. You say the kids should be with their families. Would you have them thrown in a jail cell along with their parents? No. What you really want is a hands-off open borders policy, but you’re too disingenuous to admit it.

 

Jun 23, 2018

I don’t think families seeking refuge from impoverished countries torn by g--- violence should be separated nor should they be prosecuted for trying to save their children’s lives. If they don’t meet the refugee criteria, deport them. Anyways, per usual you can never stay on point. The point of my post was that the trump administration decided to use children as pawns & separated them from their parents in effort to deter illegal immigration. What they did was morally wrong. They literally kidnapped children from their parents & locked them up in camps that quickly began to be over populated.

 

Jun 23, 2018

I swear 90% of this thread is enigma and webber debating/arguing. I like it, keep it up.