Jan 16, 2020

Ok but what does the unemployment rate & GDP growth have to do with the trade war? The unemployment rate has been falling since 2010. There’s been GDP growth (i.e. economic growth) since 2010 as well. What has Trump done to influence any of this? These are trends that started long before he became president.

The corporations who benefited the most from Trump’s tax cuts have already laid off workers. These CEOs don’t give a s--- about their workers—they care about their pockets & shareholders. That’s where most the money went to. If lower taxes are what attract big corporations then why don’t all these big corporations based in the U.S. move to Vietnam or something where taxes are far lower? You’re defending an economic philosophy (“trickle down economics”) that has dominated U.S. domestic policy since the 80s & destroyed the U.S. middle class.

Equating NYT to Fox News is laughable. A one time $1500 Christmas bonus compared to the millions of dollars that people at the top are saving in taxes. You don’t even realize you’re being thrown bread crumbs here which I honestly feel bad for. If you’re working class as you say—you deserve more. More than 60% of the tax savings from Trump’s tax cuts went to people in the top 20% of the income ladder. You’re being ripped off.

 

Jan 16, 2020

Jesus Christ people like you just don't get it. You're fed bull s--- from all these elitist hypocrites. The nyt is the exact same as fox .. one sided Bs. Skewed story's stats and overwhelming bias. The people at the top make that money because they're at the top. 1500 isn't bread crumbs I live a wonderful life I don't need 3 million, but what's beautiful is the opportunity to go after it is there. The overall well being of the middle class in terms of quality of life is growing steadily under his admin. Obama literally choked the middle class, and wow how convenient these old on going economic policies are suddenly growing at large under Trump. Like do you even read what you're typing?? Not sure if you live here or not but it'd be wonderful for people like you who pretend the sky is falling under Trump would go somewhere else where life will certainly be worse than here. Every large manufacturer in my area can't find enough workers, construction companies in the same boat. This is literally the best economy we've had in a good while. He won the trade war by hurting China enough for them to begin phasing in progress a new deal.

No one is going to Vietnam because the line isn't being crossed in taxation. If it were, you can bet your a--- they won't be staying here. Look at the Amazon - NY fiasco. Amazon scrapped their plans to go there, costing thousands jobs and took their ideas elsewhere. You can continue quoting garbage one sided articles but I'm throwing out examples here. Facts, not cherry picker bias stats.

 

Jan 16, 2020

Level with me here, and be honest, is your life so bad with DT in office?

The honest answer for virtually all Americans is no, quality of life has gone up. At the end of the day 90% of the noise comes from hot Pocket media areas and large sheep cities that all think alike. What's more funny is under policies of places like CA and NY homelessness is rampant and wage gaps higher than anywhere else. Left leaning places with massive populations are just doing fantastic! We should follow that model!

 

Jan 16, 2020

Ugh that prick keeps taking from the working class!

 

Jan 16, 2020

Why don't you actually point out the issues or "skewed stats" from the NYT articles I cited then instead of just arguing in generalities. If the NYT is so skewed and bias--it shouldn't be hard to point out examples within the articles I cited. Fox News is practically state media. Employees at Fox News have direct lines of communication to the White House and the president himself. Numerous individuals have been hired by the Trump administration from Fox News and even some ex-Trump officials have gone to work in Fox News after leaving the administration. The relationship between Fox News and the Trump administration is beyond inappropriate and has been widely reported on. Comparing the NYT to Fox News--even if you do think the NYT is bias--is so disingenuous. It's not even close.

So you think it's acceptable for CEOs to make 200+ times more than what their average worker makes and on top of that receive hundreds of millions of dollars in tax cuts? Why? There are millions of American struggling to get by, we have a housing crisis, a rampant drug epidemic and our infrastructure is crumbling. Yet you want rich people to continue to get more hand outs at the expense of the lower and middle class?

How do you measure quality of life? Source? Obama came into office in the midst of the worst recession since the Great Depression. Unemployment was spiking to 10%. Hundreds of thousands of jobs were being lost per month. The auto industry was about to go completely bankrupt. By every major economic metric--the economy had drastically improved when Obama left office. That's just a fact. You'd have to be a delusional partisan to believe otherwise.

What is "the line" in regards to taxation? You do realize prior to the 1980s, the top tax bracket was as high as 91%. This was under President Eisenhower, a Republican president! Tax rates this high for the very rich use to be extremely common in the United States. We still had plenty of large industries and corporations.

How are you measuring quality of life? People's quality of life can improve in a number of ways. It doesn't necessarily have to do with government or domestic policy. Someone can get promoted and their quality of life increases. I'm also not sure what my life has to do with anything.

Homelessness is a nationwide issue. It's prevalent in CA and NY because well... those are two of the most populous states in the country as you said lol. You're trying so hard to score political points here that you're not even realizing these are issues the entire country needs to address. Poor red states like Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi etc. wouldn't even be able to function without tax revenue from big states like CA and NY lol. These states take more federal tax dollars than they give.

 

Jan 16, 2020

Quality of life is measured in polls, just as stats you throw at me.

I'm aware there are poor red States, that's the difference between us. I don't see it left and right, I see it wrong and right. Yes a CEO should make way the f--- more than your common employee because they assume the liability of being a CEO? Are you a socialist? Should a doctor make more than a nurse? Duh.

Homelessness is far worse a problem in nyc and la than it is across the nation. Not based on population, either.

And yes.. wanna know why those tax rates are dropping or staying stagnant? Those big companies began leaving! Again you're trying to sway points to win an argument, I'm staying realities and facts.

The poor areas in those red States by the way are a product of victim mentality left leaning ideas btw. I live in KY, as my profile avatar suggests. I'm aware of it's state. The only "poor" areas are inner cities and towns with lots of unclaimed income floating around (Pikeville, virtually all of Robertson county, and so on)

Also, of course the economy improved. There was nowhere else to go! Guess why the economy was horrid? Unnecessary government intervention destroying things like the housing market and college tuition Nationwide.

Regardless of where you stand left or right most people who use logic end up in the middle somewhere. I am far more libertarian than anything else myself. Our government as a whole is incredibly inefficient and wasteful, the tax cuts literally = less govt involvement to waste that money, and the money ends up back in the workers pocket where it belonged all along.

As far as credibility of the source - I can link you sources that have the opposite narrative all day long. And you'll be able to fire right back. Why waste our time, I'm looking at the reality of life around me. And the last 2 years the three states that I'm in and out of regularly are all blue collar states who have all been doing so much better. Construction and factory jobs in particular, which is the everyday common man market. Trade school type jobs are all over - for men and women.

 

Jan 16, 2020

Great. What polls? And how are these polls relevant at all to what is being discussed? Like I said, people's quality of life can improve for a number of reasons. It doesn't necessarily have to do with government policy.

This isn't what I asked. The number of working class Americans in poverty has drastically increased over the decades. Wage growth has been stagnant for decades. Given these facts: why do you support wealthy CEOs getting hundred million dollar tax cuts? The middle class is being strangled and you seem content with rich people continuing to grow richer--why?

There have been entire books, academic journals, volumes of academic writing dedicated to poverty in the United States. Hundreds of thousands of hours of research by some of the brightest minds in the country. They've pointed to the decline in unions, the lack of wage growth, the decreased funding for social programs, generational wealth etc. All these plausible and data supported reasonings for why poverty exists. Yet you ignore all of it and say no no....These people are poor because of a "victim mentality." Are you f---ing kidding me?

The economy literally collapsed because the financial sector went rogue with the unregulated trading of credit default swaps. Lack of regulations led to the collapse of the entire financial sector. You're spewing complete falsehoods now.

The tax cuts went primarily to the very wealthy and will come out of medicare, Medicaid, social security, and various other social welfare programs that *actually* help lower and middle class people. I think it's clear at this point: you care about yourself and no one else. That's big difference here. As long as you and your own are doing fine than f--- the next guy.

Again, not what I asked. I asked you to point out specifically what was biased or skewed in the NYT articles that I linked. What is specifically wrong with them? What falsehoods in those articles are being pushed?

 

Jan 16, 2020

“I see right or wrong”

“yes billionaire CEOs deserve more tax cuts!”

Like...lol

 

Jan 16, 2020

when bc saw this he wept violently, then masturbated on a pile of nails

 

Jan 16, 2020

I wonder what a farmer from Kentucky thinks “normal people” are like. Lmao

 

Jan 16, 2020

Oh billionaires that pay 90 percent of taxes in the first place get to keep more of the money they earn. Wahh cry about it. Why does it bother you people get to keep their own money lmao

 

Jan 16, 2020

You have 9000 posts on an internet forum though so "normal" might not be a topic you wanna speak on

 

Jan 16, 2020

Solid intelligent response keep up the good work

Yikes 15k posts do you nerds have real life friends or is this your virtual safe space

 

Jan 16, 2020

Dude probably called the players in his avi the N word when they missed free throws

 

Jan 16, 2020

"I was proved wrong and people keeping the money they earn vs socialism bothers me"

 

Jan 16, 2020

Do you really think billionaires pay 90% tax? What alternate universe do you live in? Why are you defending rich people who don’t give a f--- about you or your family? They’d throw your a--- to the curb in a second if it meant enriching themselves more.

 

Jan 16, 2020

Wow super original and solid response. You're gleaming with intelligence

 

Jan 16, 2020

And? It's their money dumb f---s they earned it through their job if it bothers you go do the same. Look up the tax distribution please