Feb 23, 2017

It's only a matter of time before trans-people start demanding reparations for years of bullying and "oppression", too, just wait on it.

 

Feb 23, 2017

Yeah and being gay use to be considered a mental illness. It's medical science and psychology bruh. We learn more about ourselves as we progress through time. This isn't some irrational theory (2+2=5) it's rooted in decades worth of medical research.

 

Feb 23, 2017

Yea idk man I'll just agree with whatever


^This is a picture of a fish now because I feel like it.

 

Feb 23, 2017

I'm going to go make some Yachty threads in the Drake Section. Being liberal is kind of fun, I might get into this.

 

Feb 23, 2017

I live in California, this theory that creepers will take advantage of being able to go into the women's restroom simply doesn't happen on a large scale. There might be isolated incidents but it's not some trend or dibacle. Public restrooms constantly have people walking in and out and are typically crowded in metro areas. It'd be hard for someone to sexually assault someone else in a public restroom and go unnoticed.

 

Feb 23, 2017

Even animals practice in the art of being gay as f---. So since we are considered animals , h----sapiens, also have a tendency to be gay...... why are yall over thinking this s---.... just accept it

 

Feb 23, 2017

1. Public restrooms in crowded areas are completely different.
2. "Isolated incidents" is enough for me to prefer women and children safety over potentially hurting a transgender person's feelings.

Also, the only science behind transgenderism is that it's a mental stigma provoked by a biological disorder classified as "gender dysphoria" or GDI. Due to this being precisely biological, you can correctly apply the concept of gender identity into the mix and have the person decide whatever he/she feels more comfortable with. That doesn't make the notion of "being a male and acting feminine" (another concept that doesn't make any sense) a legitimate biological identity. Establishing genders as social constructs where everyone can partake in and create their own is not only inane but dangerous. There's an objective physical and mental difference between men and women, which is why the idea even exists in the first place.

 

Feb 23, 2017

btw Gay/Trans people are cool, I like them, they do their own thing, it's whatever (do I think it's weird, of course, but they probably think I'm weird. We're all pretty weird, tbh). It's the stepping on the toes that irks me.

Non-Trans people tell Trans people they have to use bathrooms one way = Trans people get pissed.
Trans people tell Non-Trans people they have to use the bathrooms a different way = Non-Trans people get pissed. <-- I am here.

As long as the human population shares things, there are going to be arguments.

Imo, we'd have less conflicts if we segregated literally everything. Would it be efficient? Not at all. But, there wouldn't be conflicts like this.

 

Feb 23, 2017

i don't think so either, which is why i said at the beginning of my post that it's not just that, and i doubt there are many people who are trying to abuse it neferiously to get their rocks off or whatever. that's beside the point.

teenagers shouldn't be making decisions on their gender period. a very small percentage of people are actually transexual, and when you're a teenage that's either going through puberty or hasn't even gone through puberty yet, you aren't fully developed mentally or sexually and trans really shouldn't even be coming into the discussion at that point in a person's life.

and i'd imagine a boy dressing as a girl is going to have the same problems regardless of what bathroom he uses. it's not like the girls are going to see him as a girl if he's still a guy. I can't imagine it's going to go much better when you send them into a female locker room just because he paints his nails and wears a skirt.

and you're completely ignoring the other girls that are using the restrooms. how uncomfortable is it going to be for them with an adolescent boy in there in the changing room with them?

the transgendered kids need therapy not wigs and enabling. like i said before, "kids" and "trans" shouldn't even enter the conversation because they're not fully biologically developed at that point and if they do start on some HRT treatment or whatever they do, that could drastically f--- with their development and their body. If someone later in life feels that they were born the wrong gender that's one thing, but if you start enabling it at an elementary or even jr high-high school level you're just f---ing with confused children at that point. don't fit in? don't have friends? feel excluded? no problem! just call yourself a girl and garner all the sympathy and encouragement you never got before!

you don't need to pull down someone's pants to know if they're a man or a woman, you know.



i can smell this thing's d-ck through the photo alone. this thing should not be allowed in the women's washroom.

where's the cutoff?

if you can pass as a female there's not much anyone can do to stop you from going in there, and it really doesn't matter at that point, but to give everyone with MPB and a 5 o'clock shadow who rolls out of bed and decides that they're a girl now a pass into the female washroom is insane.

i dont rly think that's fair, because you're speaking for them as well by saying that they're accepting of transgendered people. i'm sure a lot are uncomfortable with it but don't want to say anything or don't want to be seen as "transphobic". and i don't thing being accepting of them or okay with it has anything to do with wanting to share changing and bathrooms with mentally ill men.

the difference between transexuality and homosexuality is that there are physical differences between a man and a woman. a man who transitions into a woman should not be allowed to hit women or become a professional fighter in a woman's league because it's still a man, whether his d----s cut off or not, and whether he identifies as a woman or not, there are physical differences in the way men and women are built. to say it's "medical science and psychology" is ridiculous, and it's not comparable to homosexuality in any way other than people used to all gay people trannies. gender dysphoria is a real thing. to say it's not just because people used to think being gay was a mental illness is insane.

 

Feb 23, 2017

This is the most r-----ed post I've read on sxn80. I find it more creepy letting people choose which bathroom they want to use that day. It isn't morally right.

 

Feb 23, 2017

lol @ comparing being gay to being trans

 

Feb 23, 2017

That's not how we govern nor is it how we should govern. No matter what you do, there's always an element of risk involved--it's impossible to eliminate all risk. It's the same reason we don't ban people from driving in name of "public safety" because some people like to drink and drive. Statistical trends matter and they don't match up with your argument.

Tell this to Polynesian societies who've established third and forth gender types. Who is it dangerous to? These societies are some of the most accepting and thrive socially due to that. Gender identity is not a stable or fixed trait, it can vary over time for an individual. It certainly is a social construct. Sex on the other hand is something totally different.

 

Feb 23, 2017

 

Feb 23, 2017

@Enigma the type of guy to think babies should be referred to with gender neutral pronouns

 

Feb 23, 2017

Again: this is insinuating a bunch of men are going to all of sudden start walking into female restrooms. There's nothing to back that up. As for your picture, if she's going into the women's bathroom WHO CARES. She's going to do what she needs to do and get out like the rest of us. You finding her apulsive ("this thing") is your problem.

 

Feb 23, 2017

first of all, nothing i say it stupid. my point stands: what's with the fixation on who takes a s--- where? or more broadly, why are conservatives preoccupied with faux scandals like this, "voter fraud" instead of tackling legitimate challenges facing the country. ya burnt. NEXT

You don't know what's morally right. Yes, how crazy letting people go where they feel safe. You all have this very cartoonish notion of who transgender people are. They aren't predators - usually they're confused, or suicidal. Grow up. ya burnt.

ok well challenge ur preconceptions. some people think they were borne in the wrong body, and identify with the other gender. so what? the height-age-race analogy literally doesn't work. in fact, it's offensive. It's like the sliding scale argument against gay marriage: "next will we marry animals?! der" @Proto that's where the gay comparison comes in imo. I understand we all find trans people goofy/silly whatever but the fact is there need to be protections to make sure they arent being targeted. anyways 21 ya burnt

"separate but equal" no. ya burnt

i dont think it is beside the point bc thats exactly the argument being used by opponents. hysteria.

fair points but unfortunately this is the world. people are coming out as gay at 12 -- should they not be protected bc you think sexually/emotionally they arent prepared to be gay? like, im sorry about your whole premise is based on a hypothetical. you cant just dismiss issues with a cavalier "well hes going to have problems regardless" = that's not a serious response to the topic u know?

im not ignoring those other girls. its a reasonable thought but something that can be accommodated. if someone is truly trans theyre going to blend in in most cases.

I just don't agree. you can't keyboard dismiss a range of people with "they need therapy" - just very blanketed, and implies trans is a kind of mental illness. Maybe you think that, maybe you don't. regardless, that shouldn't be the government or school system's stance. bottom line there are kids who are vulnerable, face higher degrees of homelessness and suicide. i understand your point but i think youre generally conflating actual trans people with the @Narsh'es of the world.

Well I said many of them, so i think you're misreading me here. I think many women ARE pretty accepting. its a general statement, but seems honest enough. no need to armchair psychologize about an entire gender being "afraid" of getting labelled as bigoted lol. the fact is though i don't think you can describe trans folk are mentally ill and think that's a reasonable pov. you have no idea - i agree personally its strange but id rather give them the benefit of the doubt than ostracize them and support policies that encourage bullying and abuse.

 

Feb 23, 2017

How come Democrats have resorted to race, ethnicity and gender based politics? Everyone is a victim now according to them. Is it because they have lost over 1,000 seats in state politics and are desperate?

 

Feb 23, 2017

again: calling yourself a girl doesn't make you a girl

so when something like that walks into a women's bathroom that is specifically a man walking into a female restroom.

as for "WHO CARES", my entire point is that the women who use the bathroom shouldn't be put in a position where they may feel uncomfortable because of someone like that bumbling in.

he can't just walk in and say "it's cool ladies i'm a girl too" and suddenly alleviate any feelings of discomfort they have. it's still a man in the woman's washroom. saying "i'm a girl" doesn't change that.

 

Feb 23, 2017

Republicans play the same games. Their constituencies are just different. Trump's whole appeal is that white LMC men have been victimized by a range of things: ACA, mexicans, china, blacks and - yes- trans people.

Politics is about ebb and flow. Wasn't long ago Republicans were losing seats over political unpopularity - it doesn't validate anything. ya burnt

 

Feb 23, 2017

This slippery slope is so terribly farcical that I don't even know how you can possibly come up with this stuff and think it's a good rebuttal.

First of all, driving in the 21st century is a need. Second, not allowing transgender people to go to whichever bathroom they feel more comfortable with does not equal to restricting them from using the bathroom at all. Jesus.

I think you've officially gone batshit crazy. From a population that's barely reaching 200,000 people, only around 1-5% of Samons identify themselves as "Fa'afafine". Not to mention the "socially prosperous" place you're talking about is just a poor isolated island holding barely any relevance in the real world.

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You quoted me to have a debate and now suddenly assume the victory without even attempting to refute any of the points I made? What?