Feb 23, 2017

@Clarity - I did respond. You said it isn't "morally right" and i said stfu you don't get to decide morality. ya burnt

 

Feb 23, 2017

And that sense of uncomfortableness won't be present if a male dressed as a women walks into a male restroom? It's going to be there regardless. Hence why they should be allowed to choose the restroom they identify with and feel more safe in. Society adapts over periods of time, it won't change over night.

 

Feb 23, 2017

Nah I was talking like separating literally EVERYTHING including who's in charge of it. Like if the "white-male-age 21-brown hair" bathroom is constantly dirtier than the "asian-female-age 35-black hair" bathroom, then maybe the 21 year old white guy with brown hair that's in charge of cleaning the bathroom should step it up.

There wouldn't be set equality across bathrooms, it'd just be up to each group to maintain their own s--- to the highest quality that they want. At least you couldn't blame others, then.

Obviously it'd never happen, but it's interesting to think about.

How doesn't it work, though? People used to think X=Y. Now, they're arguing that X could also equal Z.
Having a dong = male, but now, having a dong could also equal female.
The measuring tape says I'm 6'5", but now, the measuring tape saying 6'5" could also equal me being 5'11".

Whether you're talking about d----s, height, or age, it's the exact same concept, imo. I guess you could argue the "solid" metrics of numbers against that, but I feel like genitals were a pretty solid metric at one time, too.

I also want to say that I don't think this will make them any less targeted, either, but I suppose people also said the same when they stopped segregating schools. I'm probably still burnt but at least I tried.

 

Feb 23, 2017

i dont think a 12 year old knows what he's sexually attracted to
a lot of 11-12 years old kids were still in the "girls are icky so i pull their hair" camp when i was that age. i don't think they know what the f--- they're talking about if they're "coming out" before they hit puberty or sexual maturity and enabling it is just going to lead to more confused kids that don't know what they're saying or talking about.

but i was just replying to your hypothetical of the trans kid going into the boys restroom with an alternative
it's not going to be easy for them either way, either the girls are uncomfortable around him and make him feel like a weirdo or the boys pick on him

or the boys don't give a s--- about it and mind their own business or the girls do the same

it's really all hypothetical in that anecdote because we're not talking about a real existing person

if they were blending in this issue wouldn't even be raised because no one would know any different.

and that's what i've said from the beginning, it's not the legitimate trans people that are the problem here, if you go in there and no one can tell the difference then more power to you, you're not part of the issue. the issue is dudes who are having an identity crisis and think they're women so they start wearing bras and growing their hair long. they're not going to blend in because they're genuinely not a woman, it's not a case of someone's hormones being f----- up and they were literally meant to be born a woman but for some reason the wires got crossed, it's just a man in a bra.

you don't agree that people who face higher degrees of homelessness and suicide should get therapy? they should work out their problems instead of trying to take it into their own hands and decide whether or not they're a boy.

legitimate trans or not, they could all benefit from therapy. getting your d-ck cut off is a permanent thing. it should be a last resort for only the genuinely wrong gendered people. they should be going to therapy to find out whether or not they fit that description.

i feel like we're just going in circles at this point lol
i didn't try and and say an entire gender is afraid of being labeled and bigoted, i used the words "i'm sure a lot" are which i also think is honest.
and i do think for the most part they are mentally ill, but mental illness doesn't have to be a negative term. depression is a mental illness but i don't talk down about depressed people. i'm not ostracizing people suffering from depression. i think gender dysphoria is a legitimate mental issue and a lot of the people who call themselves trans and hitch their wagon to the movement are doing it for reasons other than being born in the wrong body. i don't think it's unreasonable at all to suggest they get therapy and find out whether or not their issue is mental or physical. i think it'd save a lot of people from mutilating themselves at times when they aren't thinking clearly.

it'd be a lot less uncomfortable because it's a man in the men's washroom. if he wants to wear womens clothing then f--- it that's how the western world works, you're free to do that. you can't change genders like a blouse though.

 

Feb 23, 2017

@21 Squid the difference is culturally no one defines themselves by their height lol. Advertisers, musicians don't cater to people 6'5. Its not just a binary thing, bc social identifications are alot more complex. theres weighted value to how we define ourselves. so its not a one to one.

i think plenty of 12 year olds know theyre gay then. i got my first gf and saw my first porno (i think) when i was around that age. so i disagree.

so by your own admission, people with hormonal issues - or converted hermaphrodites, et al - are not the issue and should be allowed to use the bathroom they identify with. so this is just about semantics. my point is i think theres more people with genuine trans disorder or however you label it.... then just dudes one day opting to cross dress. i dont see there being a real "problem" then. how many men are going into ladies rooms dressed as women and causing strife? a cpl weirdos?

well lets not conflate. if you have issues with depression, abuse, suicidal thoughts = yes, go to therapy. it sounds like you were implying people who think theyre in the wrong body deserve conversion therapy, or something, like mike pence. Standards of care requires trans men undergo either months of Real-life-test or psychological evaluation before surgery already so i think thats a moot point.

 

Feb 23, 2017

Alright, I'll accept that.

 

Feb 23, 2017

So you seek comfort in knowing that when you go take a s--- in a public restroom everyone who walks in has a d-ck? I think you're making it deeper than it really needs to be. You're conflating people who have legitimate issues with their identities and cross dressers and/or guys who will cross dress simply to go into the women's restroom. You're making it seem like this is going to be the norm or some epidemic, it's not. Like I mentioned earlier, I live in CA and we passed a state law in 2013 that allows students to go into the bathroom that they identify with. It's been like that for four years now and everything is fine. The issue has been solved.

 

Feb 23, 2017

I think I'd notice if a woman walked in to the bathrokm and I think everyone else would too.

 

Feb 23, 2017

In other trump related news:
--The Trump administration announced today it would step up enforcement of federal laws against recreational marijuana.

--Attorney General Jeff Sessions rolled back on an Obama administration memo to the Bureau of Prisons telling them not to renew contracts with private prisons. The Obama admin. wanted to phase the federal government out of using private prisons.

--The FBI denied a recent request by the White House to dispute reports by the media that trump campaign officials had regular contact with Russian intelligence officers.

 

Feb 23, 2017

They link use of recreational weed to opioid abuse? Lmao so delusional.

 

Feb 23, 2017

y'all are weird as f---

 

Feb 23, 2017

Sessions is going to round up every one running a State sanctioned medical/recreational marijuana distributer and put them into private prisons.

 

Feb 23, 2017

State bathroom laws are stupid and are the second most obvious ploy to create a wedge issue next to flag burning laws.



Even Trump as candidate said people should use whatever bathroom they are comfortable with.

To repeal the Federal protection is a ploy to rev up stupid reactionary people.

Can't believe Devos was almost the voice of reasoning on this one.

 

Feb 24, 2017

If watching this doesn't give you the chills, something is wrong.

 

Feb 24, 2017

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/320902-white-house-hints-at-crackdown-on-recreational-marijuana?amp

Alright, yea, f--- this guy

In all fairness, though, it was kind of douchey of the Obama administration to turn their back on it while still leaving it in the books. It's like Washington is deathly afraid of erasing anything.

 

Feb 24, 2017

not gonna lie... kind of agreed with milo! its not a great point - or one id make openly (silly) - but i think there was some specific truth to it vis a vis gay culture. not to mention a hetero dbl standard re: on old men lusting after teenage girls

@21 Squid it wasn't douchey at all. administrations are allowed to have discretion when it comes to enforcement.

 

Feb 24, 2017

On the one hand, I can see where pedophilia is a common slight against gay men. On the other hand, advocating that 13 year olds are mature enough to consent is gross and that is reviled even in the context of older men and younger women. I think if Milo had stuck to his personal experience he would have been fine, but taking a hardline stance for children to be vulnerable to grooming is gross.

 

Feb 24, 2017

You got something to say, you quote or mention me, cuck.

Yeah, I mean I agree. It is gross. But as you imply, it's also been used as a bullseye to target gay men, malign them as predators, etc. And his point about the "mentor" dynamic (in absence of supportive family, community) rings true. Frankly - and this goes for the African American community as well - White America/mainstream progressives should reconcile the notion the groups they support may not culturally always have the precise same values as they do. In other words, we agree to support civil rights or gay rights because we falsely believe "oh, they're just like this - another version of the nuclear family!" Missing nuance.

Anyways, on the double standard front, it wasn't long ago this was ok:

seinfeld dating a girl in hs etc: http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/10-celebrities-who-have-dated-underage-girls/

seems gross now but relatively recently people were ok with it.

 

Feb 24, 2017

Since when do you say cuck? lmao @Papa Andy

You can mentor young gay men without grooming them, right? Let's not pretend those kind of relationships are culturally acceptable any longer. Just because separate water fountains were a thing in the 50s doesn't mean segregation is permissible now.

 

Feb 24, 2017

Psh, it was a LITTLE douchey. Just like it's douchey of the Trump (and every other President) administration for not erasing it's illegal status.

idk, the whole logic of "Hey this is illegal, but we're not going to do anything about it...however, if someone else wants to come along and f--- you, they can" thing gets me heated.