Sep 24, 2017

"keep politics outside of sports... except for the National Anthem"

 

Sep 24, 2017

This is a perfect example of what I was referring to in my post:



People like @Black Jesus read this & say "see! See! He's not a racist!"

 

Sep 24, 2017

Being nationalist or patriotic isn't necessarily political.

Trump criticizing NFL players has nothing to do with their race. It's their action. Trump is a person known for his nationalism, but he never really uses any race based rhetoric does he.

I mean, you think that trump is clever enough to have never said anything to anyone that could directly attribute him to racism. I think you are giving trump too much credit there.

 

Sep 24, 2017

you're a f---ing moron

 

Sep 24, 2017

White hipster

 

Sep 24, 2017

You r a f---ing moron
there u go, Im not a white hipster

 

Sep 24, 2017

There's nothing clever about it lol. Dog whistle politics has been around forever. Even extremists like the KKK now use dog whistles rather than outspoken/blunt racism. It widens their appeal. Trump does the same thing because it gives people a defense. Whether it be Trump generalizing Mexicans as "rapists & murderers" ("he didn't say all Mexicans were rapists & murderers!") or his conflicting response on Charlottesville ("he condemned both sides!").

Prior to his presidency, the examples are much more clear. The federal government literally sued him for racism & he accused the first African-American president of not being born here. Like I asked before, how many more of these incidents do we need before the picture is clear to you? What's your red line? Racism today isn't the same as it was 50 years ago. Trump isn't going to say "n*gger" on national television. Racism is much more hidden, hence why reading between the lines is important.

 

Sep 24, 2017

Oh what was the verdict?

That's not racist. Him being Black doesn't make him immune to political attacks whether they are legitimate or not. Being born outside the US isn't a racial issue. It's a nationalist one. It's not like trump didn't have his fair share of illegitmate scandals repeatedly aimed at him. It's just now that this time the shoe is on the other foot, and you guys are the bs merchants.

Hardline evidence, and not subjective interpretive bs from people that are biased against him.

Anyone with a high school education should know that "reading between the lines" will always give a subjective interpretation, and that interpretation can't be given as evidence of FACT. It's your opinion that he's racist.

No he didn't actually. What he actually said was that a lot of the people who cross the border are the worst from otherwise good people (and trump emphasized the "not all"). He doesn't have a very soft tongue and it's rather inflammatory but that's about it.

Yeah i feel sorry for the bs trump has to deal with on issues like this.

Trump wasn't taking a political stance. One side was an organized protest against the destruction of statues, and the other was a counter protest. Violence broke out, and trump's response was that both sides were responsible for the violence, which they were. He hasn't said anything wrong. He's denounced the bad people in both sides and nothing is wrong with that.

Note that trump isn't speaking about the legitimacy of either political stance nor is he comparing them. He didn't say both political stances were morally equal nor did he put one in the right. He's saying that they are equally responsible for the actions both sides did. He in fact did denounce white nationalism, but then reiterated that counter protesters were not innocent in the violent riots.


What trump said is objectively true. f--- your subjectivity on how bad white nationalists are because what people think is less important than what they do. And what both sides did was against the law.

 

Sep 24, 2017

you don't know anything at all about american society. you're not qualified to talk about it, frankly. you're a f---ing imbecile.

 

Sep 24, 2017

Yeah it's not like i've ever been to america or i know a multitude of people who live there. But then again, you don't know much about me do you.

By your logic you aren't qualified to talk about black people. You've never been black. You've never been arrested by the police have you? You've never been a part of a g--- have you?

Why the f--- do you then presume to tell me, a black person, what's racist against black people. I'm not a part of your ideology so your biased opinions mean s--- to me. I've asked for examples of trump being racist (Against blacks) and you gave me your subjective interpretations of Trump's stance on a non racial issue, because a specific case exists where a colored person happens to be involved. But i'm not the type of imbecile who can't interpret a situation without the lens of race politics.

Who think's he's smart lol.

 

Sep 24, 2017

this has nothing to do with anything in your personal background. it has to do with your repeated, incredibly horrible misreadings of american culture and politics. reading trump's public remarks for the dog whistles they are is not filtering politics through a racial lens-- it's literally trump's intended purpose. but you don't seem to understand that, just as you somehow think the cops are justified in murdering people here. you're punching above your weight.

 

Sep 24, 2017

i missed the part about me "never being arrested" lol

 

Sep 24, 2017

Holy s--- WPG can read minds.

Cops should have the right to s---t people who pose a threat to society. Shooting tends to k--- people. People who aren't a threat to society shouldn't be killed but sometimes are. Those cases are always the minority.

It isn't a conspiracy against black people. It's individual error on the part of the cops and that individual error is probably because of the inefficiency of the policing system in terms of regulations or training. But it's not institutional oppression or any sh-- like that.

Had to ask, but it was probably stupid cause you don't have to do anything to get arrested lol.

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Sep 24, 2017

see, this is what i mean. only someone who's completely naive or feigning ignorance would take trump's comments re the nfl as anything other than a racist culture war. it's maddening how ignorant this kid is. lmao @ the idea of there not being institutional racism by american police when the literal justice department has proven otherwise. lmao @ seeing a white nationalist president go to a rally in alabama, call a peaceful black protester a "son of a b----," and saying "hmm this isn't about race." you're a fool.

 

Sep 24, 2017

Holy s---. this is about respecting the anthem and by extension the country. Nothing in any of trump's tweets has anything to do with race. This is what i mean by racial lens.

 

Sep 24, 2017

This dude takes a completely non-racial issue and pulls "a racist culture war" out of his a--- thinking that it's his deepened insight that led him to this conclusion, and not just his biased ideological delusions. It's embarrassing.

 

Sep 24, 2017

first of all,

no. you're wrong. this is not a matter of opinion. trump's public remarks about the protests in the nfl are about race. there is no way around it and no way to obscure it. even the idiots on the far right in america would begrudgingly admit this. you don't know what you're talking about. there's literally no one in america who could or would want to make a good-faith argument that this is not about race.

second,

again, no. no one is protesting the anthem or the flag. they're protesting police brutality and structural racism writ large. and in doing so, they're honoring the country/anthem/flag, by fighting to improve the country. trump does not own those symbols. players who choose to kneel have just as much claim to them.

 

Sep 24, 2017

WPG is right. If @Black Jesus cant identify trump's dog whistles, there's really nothing left to discuss here. It stems from a total lack of understanding of American society/culture.

I can sit here & list off various statistics of why trump's border wall makes no logical sense & why it's not needed. I could do the same for his proposed Muslim ban. None of that matters because to Black Jesus, whatever trump says is fact. If trump says we need a travel ban for national security purposes -- that's why we need it. Who cares if Americans have a better chance of dying from a lightning strike than a refugee. Who cares if 0 Americans have died at the hands of citizens from the country's banned in the past 30+ years. Who cares if national security experts have continuously stated this won't make the US any safer. If trump says it's for national security, that's what it is for. Am I right @Black Jesus?

 

Sep 24, 2017

Who gives a f--- what they were protesting? Trump was responding to the means of protest calling it disrespectful. He wasn't speaking to the message behind the action , but the actions taken.

This is what trump is speaking about. Not about police brutality.

except @Enigma