Sep 24, 2017

Black man: I don't think Trump is as bad as you guys say he is every hour of every day when he posts a new tweet or makes a statement

White people: you are racist


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Sep 24, 2017

never been so confused in my life.

 

Sep 24, 2017

A fear that's irrational. There's no statistical merit to it. Saying you hate muslims (which in the US means anyone who looks middle eastern) because of what happened on 9/11 isn't a plausible defense lol.

They don't hate him lol. He's the biggest ally they have in the government & hes f---ing president lol. Just a couple weeks ago we had neo-nazis matching in Charlottesville chanting "heil trump" like... what world do you live in? They may not agree with everything that he does but they voted for him overwhelmingly & would do so again.

If you know racism isn't the same, why are you lecturing me about intricacies of white nationalism like you're some fucken expert. "White nationalists wouldn't approve of trump marrying Ivanka" interracial marriage has been legal for decades dip s---. If they do care, it's very minimal because like I said & you supposedly "already know" racism isn't the same. P.S. I'm not white.

 

Sep 24, 2017

There's no statistical merit but there is a logical one. One only needs to look as far the UK. Immigration was the driving force behind brexit.

 

Sep 24, 2017

ISIS = (identifies as)islamic, founded in the middle east, operates in the middle east (along with al-qaeda and numerous other terrorist orgs)
there's your statistical merit. is it an irritation fear? probably, but beside the point.

irrelevant, nobody said they hate muslims in our exchanges, f--- off with topic changing and point dodging.

"they dont hate him"
says who? you?

they f---ing do, because white nationalists hate immigration, hate any race that isn't white and have very strict criteria for what they classify as "white". if a "white nationalist" supports trump, then they, by definition cannot be a "white nationalist" because of multiple reasons.

and your other points... so you know everyone who voted? what world do you live in?
there are 50 states in america and 1 state had some of their citizens protest BLM and other s---, while some of the mentally ill people used Nazism as their icon. compared to the entirety of the entire united states it was a pretty weak turnout. just like literally every political protest that has happened lol.

How do you know? source?

 

Sep 24, 2017

If there's no statistical merit, there's no logical one. The U.K. is not the U.S. Trump pushed for a travel ban to cater to people hate muslims/middle easterns.

Dude.... I'm not about to debate with you about what is real white nationalism & what isn't. If someone calls themselves a white-nationalists & maintains a generally racist ideology -- they are f---ing white nationalists. You wanna play technicalities & layout this strict criteria that's totally besides the point.

Enigma: "white nationalists overwhelming voted for trump."

Coco: "source!?"

Gtfoh

 

Sep 24, 2017

Boot must taste so good for the amount of mental gymnastics trump supporters/defenders are willing to go through to make anything he says seem logically reasonable.

 

Sep 24, 2017

what an idiot, i ask for a source on something he can't source and he takes it as a serious question.

 

Sep 24, 2017

well actually the countries on the list of banned countries were designated by the Obama admin as the 7 most terror prone countries, Obama also suspended visas for refugees from Iraq in 2011. So I guess that would make Obama a fear mongering xenophobe blah blah too! Not to mention most of the countries on the list are "failed states" or at risk of becoming failed states, which means their governments have collapsed or are near collapse and we can not get trustworthy, accurate on info on ppl coming from them. But to know this you would have to do some research and not just read CNN headlines. Everything is not so f---ing black and white.

You're right about net migration being 1 to 1, and the # of undocumented immigrants has also gone down largely because Obama deported quite a lot of them. What a racist and xenophobic thing to do! That is, not letting ppl who have no respect for our laws or border stay in this country, s--- up benefits, take jobs, and sometimes commit additional crime that should never had occurred even including the r--- and murder of many innocent Americans. Whether or not "Americans want those jobs" or not is subjective. But if someone who is on welfare and food stamps etc would rather stay on that their whole life than make an honest living, that's their prerogative I guess

 

Sep 24, 2017

Country is going down the shitter, I don’t see a U.S. around in 5-10 years tbh. Too divided.

Really not about to sit here and debate this s--- with a bunch of rap music fans tho, what a waste of a time lol.

 

Sep 24, 2017

why are you always throwing absolutes like "if x did this they are y" ??
like "oh yes, they are just hateful people! there truly is no people with less brain cells than others and it's just smart people (like me enigma XD) and hateful racists."

what about the minorities or POC's that are mothers and don't want to see their family get bombed because mainstream media has pushed fear mongering bs about islamic terror? Maybe they aren't racist and because of the media live in fear that their kid might get bombed at a concert. Is it their fault they are scared? (whether being scared is a product of fear mongering from outside parties, they are feeling genuine fear that a muslim may bomb them. that is not racist, it is a fear built by stimulus)

you are pretty much equating fear with racism. Have a little more understanding of other people. Just because you have a decent IQ and are not scared of a muslim attacking you, does not mean the rest of the world has a decent IQ and isn't scared of muslims attacking them.

 

Sep 24, 2017

Oh boy, this argument again. "But-but-but obama had a travel ban too!" Wrong. What Obama did in 2011 was distinctly different from what trump is pushing now.

Nice try bud lol.

The obama administration largely focused their deportation efforts on undocumented immigrants who committed serious crimes & repeat offenders. The trump administration doesn't care & looks at all of them the same which is incredibly idiotic. Undocumented immigrants commit crime at a lower rate than natural born citizens. Which makes sense considering they know if they get arrested, their chances of being deported go up a lot. Once again, you're making a false equivalency.

 

Sep 24, 2017

I feel little sympathy for people who see things on TV & then proceed to paint with a broad brush & generalize a whole group of people. I mean we learn stereotypes & generalizing is wrong in elementary school. It's not that difficult to grasp.

 

Sep 24, 2017

forgot to respond. it's not besides the point. you are identifying pretty much everyone who supports/voted for/doesn't hate trump as a white nationalist. I'm pointing out that is flawed thinking and it is better to think a minority of internet dwelling anti-social tards who don't know a single thing about their ancestry watched a WW2 documentary, got a bit of an ego boost, and went out to march with tiki torches and polo shirts in 1 out of 50 american states.

I'm just telling you guys what white nationalism actually is.
a bunch of unorganized frail fa----s with all kinds of ancestry in the street with weapons beating people is exactly what white nationalists would be against.

Like, i dunno how to word it... you guys will just dismiss it as "ur a trump supporting nazi" or "ur dumb aussie racist" or "u r a white nationalist thats how u kno! LOL!"

but reality these boogeyman "white nationalists" you guys are talking about are less prominent that radical islamic muslims. most of them are just LARPing fa----s from 4chan that watched some ww2 doco's and decided to shitpost IRL.

like vice's doco on the stormfront dudes... all m--- users.

like just stop thinking 'everyone that doesn't post a trump tweet with their political opinion dismissing it with a quip, every hour, of every day is a white supremacist nazi bigot white nationalist neo nazi a--- hole racist'

most of them are drug addicts, low IQ and social degenerates. I'd say it's much more healthy to assume these people aren't 'emboldened' by trumps 'viciously racist rhetoric' and are just emboldened by their rampant m--- use. for example. these "nazis" are a minority. by far.

 

Sep 24, 2017

wow that dude was right u just take one point out of several and ignore the rest lol but whatever... they're definitely somewhat similar as even that article says, I guess I just don't see the jump from Obama denying visas etc as being rational policy to trump denying visas etc as being "pure white supremacist xenophobic nonsense". We seem to have lost the ability to have a even keeled discourse on policy, as everything is either progressive and righteous, or conservative and white supremacist, with no in between. The overton window is shifting far to the left and it's worrisome. There are real concerns in regards to immigration and vetting that many in the intelligence/foreign policy communities have stated

also do u have any evidence that trump admin "don't care and looks at all undocumented immigrants the same?". I'm pretty sure most that have been deported thus far have been convicted criminals unless you can prove otherwise. I'm pretty sure ICE is also still prioritizing criminals, but if they run into non criminal illegals obviously they will be deported too.

Also Trump has said he wants to make DACA law and is working with dems on this, which would be a pretty s-----y white nationalist move

 

Sep 24, 2017

"i feel little sympathy for people who aren't as smart as me"

you are also implying that everyone is attentive and listens to the teacher and isn't inquisitive as a child. I (a smart man) would agree it is not difficult to grasp, because I was able to do it easy. But I'm also aware, i'm more fortunate than a lot of people in this world and not everyone is as smart as each other.

this is where our big-smart levels differentiate, you are beneath me because your understanding of others only extends to those you agree with, where as mine extends to those i disagree with as well.

If a family is bombarded by news pieces all saying relatively the same thing that "islamic terror is on the rise" of course they are going to put more thought process towards that topic. Especially in places that have little to no understanding of the group, their ideals, their way of life etc etc.

If every muslim terrorist media piece in the last 10 years was swapped out for just 'information on islam' i'd guarantee there'd be a surge in people converting to islam. Are those people stupid/racist/lacking of your sympathy because they were told the good things about a religion as opposed to the bad things?

 

Sep 24, 2017

This right here is exactly why I'm annoyed by people when it comes to issues like this. Everyone wants to focus on the action and not the reason they are doing it in the first place.

The fact that something disrespectful has to get people's attention just to start conversation about is why I can't stand people sometimes.

 

Sep 24, 2017

Hey cause you are in the Airforce (das right? not military right?) would you say you have more patriotism towards the flag/national anthem?

Asking because, I know people with military background who hold the national anthem and or flag in much higher regard than just regular citizens. I don't mean like bs patriotism, like wearing the flag and screaming "AMERICAAAAAAAAAAAAA" while on training and s--- like that. I mean like, do you feel offended or similar if you see someone burn the flag, for example?

(not related to and disregarding the standing during national anthem fiasco because that's a bit different)

like some dude in my state made a facebook status saying some s--- like "cheers for the public holiday didn't ask you to go k--- yourselves for our s-----y flag in a war we shouldn't of been apart of" on ANZAC day and my friend who's entire family has had like military background n s--- turned up to his workplace and started some s--- over it.

 

Sep 24, 2017

Trump's policy is much more strict. Obama delayed the refugee process from one country (Iraq) after two Iraqis were caught plotting an attack in the U.S. Trump's initial travel ban stopped immigration from several countries, including a ban on Syrian refugees. Also, trump's ban wasn't in response to a national security incident like Obama's was. So again, you suggesting they're the same is super disingenuous.

As for the trump administration's deportation rules, read this:

He was politically pressured to sign up on DACA. Republicans & democrats in congress want legal status for DACA recipients. He really had no wiggle room.

 

Sep 24, 2017

@YiT look he couldn't find any retorts to my points so now he's ignoring me and just trying to say you're wrong lol