Sep 25, 2017

So?

Yeah because you see people aren't an ideological monolith who all agree on the same things. There will be trump supporter who disagree with trump on some issues. Given that those people were directly opposed to you during the election. You using their opinions not being aligned with trump (not even the details of those opinions) as evidence now is stupid. It's not really an argument.

 

Sep 25, 2017

unlike liberals

 

Sep 25, 2017

Hard leftists**

 

Sep 25, 2017

Saying it's "inevitable" that people who donated millions to his campaign would join their players in protest against him is dumb.

 

Sep 26, 2017

 

Sep 26, 2017

Cowboys took a knee as a team BEFORE the national anthem & were still boo'd. Just goes to show, this has nothing to do with the national anthem to these people. It has everything to do with black athletes peacefully protesting which white Americans don't like & have historically, not liked.

 

Sep 26, 2017

Gotta say... as someone who is terrified of Trump, I'm even more terrified of the inability of people who oppose him to actually have a coherent conversation about what's wrong with the guy. It demonstrates the bubble that some people live in, never having to interact with or convince someone who doesn't already share their ideas. It's never good to dodge most of the other argument and go "ur just unqualified to talk about American society lmfaooo virgin." It actually makes your side look petty and irrational.

I'm on the left, but holy f--- some people make the left look r-----ed. This here is the kinda s--- that's gonna give Trump an easy win in 2020.

 

Sep 26, 2017

^virgin

lmaoooooo @TimmyT voted for trump

 

Sep 26, 2017

Just so we're clear, black Jesus thinks institutional racism doesn't exist. He doesn't think dog whistles are something present in trump's politics. He thinks every racially charged statement/action trump has taken over the years is "subjective interpretation." It does show a lack of understanding of U.S. society/culture which makes sense since he doesn't live here & isn't from here. That's not a knock on him, it's just really evident. If you can't have a baseline agreement on something like trump's birther conspiracy against obama was racially motivated then.... there's a clear disconnect some where.

 

Sep 26, 2017

There's definitely a disconnect "somewhere." People are assuming these things are self evident. If they were, people wouldn't have different ideas about them. It's almost a form of solipsism to think everyone would (or should) interpret a situation in the same way that you do. Connecting these things to racism actually requires a little bit of historical context, and that means making connections between events and attitudes using logical inferences. It means telling the story from a particular point of view. It's not self evident, even to people who live in the US. Telling those people "you're just unqualified to have this conversation because you don't understand these self evident facts about history" doesn't win you the argument, it makes you look like an self righteous a------ who can't defend what they're saying.

 

Sep 26, 2017

That's where you & I disagree. Looking at something like the birther conspiracy & suggesting it's anything else than a racially charged assault on our first African-American president is disingenuous. People float different ideas about everything -- even widely accepted facts. We have people who think climate change is fake, the earth is flat, we faked the moon landing etc. these aren't legitimate point of views. If you can't maintain a baseline agreement in an argument, there's no point in even trying. It'd be like trying to debate climate change with someone who doesn't believe in climate scientists or thinks NASA data is fake (yes, this has happened to me before).

There are some issues that do have multiple perspectives: economics, foreign policy, education etc. other things -- especially historical events have specific reasonings to them. There's no debating that Hitler was the mastermind behind the holocaust. That's just a baseline fact.

 

Sep 26, 2017

The problem is that you have to live with and share a government with people who don't share those baseline facts, so you don't get to just ignore them. Do you really think all those people are being disingenuous? Isn't it simpler and more reasonable to assume they mean what they say and they're just wrong? I'm just saying you don't get to not engage those people. If these "baseline facts" are so obvious, it shouldn't be that hard to demonstrate in a way that's convincing. If you can't, then maybe it's something else going on that you're not seeing. Or you can completely refuse to communicate with the half of the country that doesn't agree with you. That's not a sustainable way to share a country - it's a guarantee of eventual civil war.

 

Sep 26, 2017

crazy how the site's two worst posters are named white jesus and black jesus

 

Sep 26, 2017

That's the thing, I don't think half of the country thinks like black jesus lol. I think the average trump supporter had their reservations about him but voted for him because he was different & thought he could create change. A blue collar worker in Ohio doesn't care if trump bragged about sexually harassing women; he promised to bring the coal industry back! I don't believe the average trump supporter is as defensive as we tend to see online. I think a lot of them would agree with much of the criticism. See here:



As for those that are unwilling to accept reality, you're right, I'm not going to give them the time of day. There's no point in engaging with someone that's not going to believe anything you say. There's nothing to gain from it.