Jun 24, 2016 yeaaah f--- the rest of the EU. The United Kingdom aka the best country in the world needs to settle the best terms possible. Who f---ing cares if it leads to the collapse of the union in which some countries still want to stay. The only thing that matters is the UK. The best case scenario is to get it done as fast as possible. Are you willing to disagree with me even in this aspect?
Jun 24, 2016 The best case scenario is to get the best deal possible. We're not gonna wait for too long, I assume in around October Article 50 will be triggered. As for the EU, I really don't see it lasting regardless of how long this UK exit takes.
Jun 24, 2016 My thesis is, the longer the whole process takes, the more Euroskepticism will arise within the Europe. I'd give you that you smartly omitted the video I posted with Farage admitting to telling lies during the Leave campaign. Could you say something about that?
Jun 24, 2016 Euro scepticism will rise regardless- I don't see the EU lasting. As for the Farage video, I didn't omit it due to a lack of argument, I just tend not to watch videos of Nigel Farage xD He didn't tell any lies. He was asked whether he can guarantee that the 350 million a week could be spent on the NHS. He can't guarantee as he is not the government. The members of the government supporting Brexit have outlined plans for 100 million a week of that money to be spent on the NHS so this is a concrete area that the money will be spent. Hence, no lies.
Jun 24, 2016 Democracy is the key reason. 60% of our laws are made in the EU and the ECJ is effectively the supreme court in the UK- would America be happy with a Mexican court acting as their supreme court? As part of the EU, the UK are also not allowed to negotiate their own trade deals and so have to rely on people not accountable to us to know whats in our best interest and of course, as part of a 28 bloc group, these trade deals would take longer to create. Switzerland- which is not in the EU- has around 4 times as many trade deals than the EU. There are 5 presidents of the EU with none of them being elected and most people in the UK not even knowing what their names are. The EU is not just undemocratic but it appears to be very anti-democratic at its core with the people who obtain the high EU positions likely to have lost elections in their home country. Also, over 10,000 people working for the EU get paid more than the UK prime minister. Just 12% of the UK economy trade with the EU yet the regulations placed by the EU affect the whole economy- lobbying in Brussels is, of course, easier to do for big business which leads to many of the regulations creating bad conditions for small and medium sized businesses. Immigration is also a huge issue. That doesn't make people racist, it is just common sense. Not only does the UK have mass migration from the EU but we actually have an open border and so have literally no idea how many people will come to the UK each year from the EU. This puts a lot of pressure on housing, public services, drives down wages and is just unsustainable. Immigration is a good thing if its controlled but under the EU we simply cannot control it. This and the fact that the UK give £350 million a week to the EU, (we get a rebate but this is less than half of what we give and we can't control it) just seem like a high price to pay for what is to us just a free trade agreement. We never signed up to the political union that the EU became with it looking towards becoming a United States of Europe. Based on this, I don't see any benefits of staying in the EU when we can just leave and negotiate a regular free trade agreement and finally have a globalised view of the world rather than tying ourselves down to a stagnant continent. The only continent with less economic growth than Europe is Antarctica.
Jun 24, 2016 I mean, right off the bat, no. That's not the working analogy at all. Being part of the EU isn't like Mexico serving as America's supreme court; it's like America and Canada agreeing to a neutral governing body as supreme court. Do you really believe that moving your economic interests out of Brussels entirely and centering them in London to an even greater extent will really curb the influence of industry leaders and lobbyists? Does it not concern you when you look at the geographic and demographic breakdown of Leave/Remain voters, not to mention the politicians leading each faction? What about Obama's warning about trade power diminishing? Is potentially losing Scotland worth it? What about destroying the EU as we know it and probably plunging tens of millions of people into poverty?
