Jun 24, 2016 And the figure is closer to 150-200million, politicians say anything to get you on their side. Its the same as Cameron promising extra powers to Scotland that never happened
Jun 24, 2016 The campaign slogan of every racist right-wing party lol That's...not how open borders work. An "open border" doesn't mean it's impossible to gather demographic data. Your housing and public service systems will only be as strained as national laws allow them to be. bs that it "drives down wages," show me the numbers on that. Immigrants are also paying taxes and bringing in professional expertise.
Jun 24, 2016 The Mexico analogy is not too left field at all. But, even if we go with the Canada one, how well do you think that would go down in the US? If Canadian judges can rule on the Second Amendment it would not be accepted at all. The issue with the EU is that it isn't accountable at all. That's one reason why big business loves to lobby there, it would not be the same in London at all. Everytime the UK voted against an EU law, we were defeated. The amount of regulations is literally staggering and stretches to things like the method to make chocolate and the shape of bananas and this harms the economy. There's nothing wrong with the geographic breakdown of Leave/Remain. The areas that swung it for Brexit were labour strongholds that have been neglected by the labour party for too long. The vote in London wasn't even as high as it was expected to be- dissatisfaction with the EU is not limited to a few areas. As for the politicians backing each faction, there is actually a cross party appeal for each side so a conclusive picture cannot be painted, indeed, a lot of socialists support leaving the EU like Kate Hoey. Yes, some on the leave side may be regarded as racist but so what? The leave side is not just the racist side and this is a close minded view to it. Remember, the open borders to the EU are to white countries, with the UK out of the EU we would be able to have a fairer immigration policy and strengthen ties with the commonwealth of nations. As for Obama's warning, it really doesn't concern me what he has to say. I'm not even in favour of the TTIP trade deal in its current form. The facts show that Switzerland is better at negotiating trade deals than the EU and that tells me all I need to know in regards to that. The fact there is not currently a USUK trade deal is a fault of the EU taking away our power to make our own trade deals. As for Scotland, I doubt they will leave with 40% of them voting to leave the EU for one. The EU is a failed state and will crumble at some point, if the UK didn't leave then it would probably have been the Netherlands. At this point, keeping the EU going is doing more harm than tearing it apart would do- just look at the way Greece is in with 50% youth unemployment. The issue with the EU is that it is incapable of reform, they seem to think that word means more integration when that's not at all what Europe wants. He never guaranteed this as this would not make sense given that he isn't the government. He mentioned that he would want to spend that money on the NHS and that the NHS is an area it could be spent. The cabinet members supporting leave then developed this into a proper policy where they said that £100 million a week would be spent on the NHS. 18 from London and not white so I don't really fit the trends for voting It is over 350 million actually but we get a rebate which we can't control. Regardless, its a lot of money. That is really close minded if you still can't see that this is not about racism. It's easy to say its the campaign slogan of every racist right-wing party but if you actually look at the facts you'll see that the immigration at this level is an issue. Also, many socialists support leaving the EU. As for the open borders, you're wrong again. When Poland joined the EU, the UK government predicted increased immigration of around 14,000, it was actually in the hundreds of thousands. I don't think you realise just how open UK borders are to Europe. We literally don't know how many will come in in any given year. As for the housing and public services, are you seriously suggesting that 300k net immigration a year won't be a stress on services. The UK doesn't have a money tree to provide for everyone uno. Also, the Bank of England's official calculations suggest that a 10% increase in immigration leads to a 2% downwards press on wages. When you can get people from poor EU countries with much lower minimum wages willing to work for the bare minimum in the UK, of course it drives wages down. In terms of taxes, the actual impact is neutral so this doesn't help. Remember, the UK has free healthcare entitled for all. People are literally struggling to get primary school places for their kids. Overall, you are very knowledgeable on the US but unfortunately, you are out of your debt here
Jun 24, 2016 Deduct both the rebate (£4.9bn), which is never actually paid, and the money that is paid but sent back (£5.8bn), from the gross £17.8bn annual “membership fee” and you arrive at a net figure of £7.1bn. This equates to £136m a week, less than 40% of the amount splashed on the battlebus. It is also misleading of Vote Leave to suggest – as it does in the second half of that battlebus slogan, “Let’s fund our NHS instead” – that whatever amount Britain saves on its “membership fees” by leaving the EU would be available to spend on public services. Unless a future Westminster government decides to stop spending money on British farmers, scientific research and the country’s poorer regions, it plainly would not.
Jun 24, 2016 The net fee is 31 million a day actually which means 217 million a week. Obviously, we'd not have the full 350m to spend though as we have to continue spending some of it on what it's currently used for.
Jun 24, 2016 I'm kind of at a loss here. I don't want to be condescending but...do you understand what the EU actually is? Do you really think my correction on your US/Mexico analogy was just to swap Mexico for Canada? Are you serious? You really don't get the difference, huh? Who are you, Adam Smith? I love when teenagers tell me that regulations on the market "harm the economy." Regulations exist to protect consumers, from their financial interests to their health. And now you're just towing a party line. What do you mean there's "nothing wrong" with it? I'm saying that it's quite telling when xenophobic initiatives like this are supported largely by the demographic/geographic groups that tend to support xenophobic bs. But even at that, you look around the UK and see something like the votes in Scotland...that doesn't give you pause? I mean, Jesus, dude. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Uh, so what? Being regarded as racist is a national embarrassment and will ultimately have economic consequences, never mind the adversity it puts on non-white people around Europe. I can't tell if you're extremely naive or if you think I'm extremely naive, but either way I suggest you snap out of it. A true scholar of global economics. I mean this sincerely: You are being duped. Again, this is not really accurate. To go back to economic theory: This is always, without exception, in every society in human history, the temporary effect before the market adjusts to an increased labor force. I think you need to reevaluate how much you believe what the nationalist politicians are peddling to you.
Jun 24, 2016 This is false. The immigrants mostly take the jobs none of the British people want. It hasn't got any impact on wages. Plus, they pay more taxes than they receive benefits. Here's the proof https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-immigrants-pay-more-taxes-they-claim-benefits-and-services/ You said the UK should strengthen ties with Commonwealth countries... well, good luck.
Jun 24, 2016 Then why did the leave campaign use the these figures so strongly by saying we'd can use the extra '£350m' to help the NHS, Schools and other services ? It's bs and theve been called out on it straight away thanks to Farrage
Jun 24, 2016 We are just going to go in circles if you can't even see this but i'll bite. I'm not sure what you see the EU as so I can't answer that but I see the EU as an undemocratic political union as a precursor to an United States of Europe. Of course regulations help consumers but I don't think you realise the level of regulations we get from the unelected EU. It is at the point where it is harming the economy as only 12% of the economy actually trades with the EU. Do some research. Are you seriously still continuing with the xenophobic line. This is ridiculous and is a reason why so many people are disenfranchised with the political classes at this point. What the distribution tells me is that even in pro-EU areas, the vote for remain was lower than expected. 40% of Scotland voted leave. That is a significant number. There is a cross party support for leave and remain indeed. I think around 40% of labour voters (the left) voted leave for one. But 'hahahaha' makes sense too. My comment in regards to racism has to do with the fact that just because all racists voted leave (if you assume that's the case), it doesn't mean that the majority of leave voters are racist. Even Nigel Farage is not a racist but I'm sure you'll attempt to dispute this. Obama will say what he wants to say. It doesn't concern me if we even get a trade deal with the USA as trade is still going on now isn't it? Switzerland aren't lost out of the EU. There was a project fear going on in relation to this referendum, it won't be the end of the world. I promise. Once again, I don't think you understand the UK. The campaign for leave has not been a racist one at all. One of the big parts of it was the production of Brexit the movie which does not even mention immigration. As for open borders, you're wrong again and I think you know it at this point. It's cute that you called me a teenager btw in your argument as if that belittles what I'm saying. I really think you're a smart person and have respect for you but you are in the wrong on this. Wage concerns are not something that should be brushed away. The House of Lords own study finds immigration in terms of taxes to be neutral, hence, they don't pay more in than they take out. The Bank of England states that wages are being compressed due to this. But, I'll take your word for it
Jun 24, 2016 How is this going to affect people studying abroad? Sure stuff like Erasmus is funded by the EU
