Dec 8, 2016

Sure if you wanna just use the 'Em has more money' argument then he won but if you're going by what happened in the beef and the accuracy of what was said, ICP won.

First off the beef itself was childish and a majority of it can be dismissed as such, what I'm referring to is how 90% of the beef can be summed up as ICP called Eminem gay, and Eminem called ICP gay.. That sums up most of the beef tbh.

But let's look at what actually happened and what was said beyond that. When Em was trying to get his start in Detroit, he was promoting his EP release party and had the 3 biggest names in Detroit at the time (Kid rock, Esham, ICP) listed on his flyer as possibly appearing there. He had never asked any of them to appear, or even met any of them for that matter until Violent J saw him promoting with this flyer at a club. This is a b---- move no matter who's side you're on, and Em trying to take a shortcut.

Now, Ems verse on Marshall Mathers was very good but how much of it was true?

'Claiming Detroit when y'all live 20 miles away'
They both grew up in the same area as far as I know.. but not positive where ICP lived at this point so this might be partly true.

'I don't wrestle I'll knock you f---in fa----s the f--- out.'
Shaggy 2 Dope went on MTV and challenged him to a boxing match, Em never answered.

The whole paintball thing he said after this isn't true, pretty obvious.

Flipping the slim anus line on them at the end was good and clever, but the fact is Em said hardly anything, if anything that's true. ICP's disses had plenty of bs too but also had stuff that was true like the time at St. Andrews hall I mentioned earlier and Em paying Twiztids old group $300 to open for them.

Look at the facts and try to be unbiased, ICP won this beef while Em just made a strong verse and lots of gay jokes outside of that. In the end though the beef was pretty stupid and pointless, but I certainly feel ICP was more in the right and made better points than Em.

 

Dec 8, 2016

Em was definitely a b---- throughout it all. I also found his Benzino beef pretty petty too considering, from what I gather, it mainly being over them giving TES a bad review. I always thought that was pretty childish and egotistical.

 

Dec 8, 2016

I actually legitimately think Em not having a dad and a pretty rubbish childhood has influenced him more than people realize. Like seriously if you look at the guy minus all the fame and his career etc. He's an overgrown socially awkward child.

 

Dec 8, 2016

You have to admit that the line in Marshall Mathers was a good zinger, though.

 

Dec 8, 2016

The slim anus one? Yeah that was good. It was a weird choice for ICP to call him that anyways, guess it was supposed to be more of a 'You're an anus' thing instead of actually saying he has a slim anus.

 

Dec 8, 2016

f--- ICP, buy my CD

 

Dec 8, 2016

@Kon Yes, that line.

 

Dec 8, 2016

Overgrown socially awkward child? Just like Tyler the creator. Lmao

 

Dec 8, 2016

Yeah and Tylers a fa----

 

Dec 8, 2016

The Ken Kaniff d-ck sucking skit was also completely unnecessary.

 

Dec 8, 2016

Well, it's not about money. But looking at the outcome post-beef, you can see where both stand :
- Eminem dissed them in front of thousands of people and for prosperity (DVD was made) during the biggest tour in Rap History (Up in the Smoke Tour) - with those ICP blowdolls, was pretty savage. His fame blew up since then (no pun intended) - I consider that a victory.
- ICP may be underground, but it is true many people do not consider them serious after the beef with Eminem, they're actually a bunch of clowns, which make them an easy joke.
- Proof and the rest of D12, were mainly the guys who drove Eminem into those beefs, I do not think they were very good of an influence on him (f--- you Bizarre) - I don't see Eminem as the type of guy who just wanted to kick a man when they are down (or underground) with no real motives.
Overall I think Eminem won the beef as it is measured in the outcome and consequences after it happened, nobody knows about ICP, even after reconciliation their career was much affected by the beef than viceversa... so how can they possibly win?

 

Dec 8, 2016

Especially when it comes on shuffle around other people

 

Dec 8, 2016

Guys, f--- ICP. It's impossible for them to win against Eminem in a beef just because nobody really listen to their diss songs anyway. Idc if dissing those clowns was necessary or not but I know I'd love to see old Eminem rap like he did on Marshall Mathers or any other diss song he has made.

 

Dec 8, 2016

That's where the animosity started but then Benzono tried using the source to smear eminem as a culture vulture (not the term used back then) and as stealing black music. Then to really drive that point home, Benzino included that track where Em dropped the n bomb with every magazine. So benzino kept taking it one step further every chance which is why em's diss songs kept escalating with scathing lyrics. for those that grew up in the 90s, the source magazine was the only hip hop publication that mattered. And when benzino used it to destroy Eminem's career, yea he had every right to be pissed. He also felt betrayed. Eminem did everything in his power to keep his lyrics legit and not do any corny songs like ice ice baby. He always wanted to show respect to the culture. Benzino ignored all this and tried to ruin eminem with the magazine.

So yea, on the surface it might seem petty but when you start looking at the whole situation, you can totally understand where Em was coming from. Unfortunately he made a song when he was younger calling a girl the n word. This is HORRIBLE. No excuse. But aside from that, the beef was already WELL underway and Em was not gonna back down.

 

Dec 8, 2016

Many people forget that it was SNL that pu the nail in the coffin on icps career

 

Dec 8, 2016

Ugh believe what you want, doesn't sound the least bit realistic to me..ICP doesn't hang out at clubs unless they're working, there'd be witnesses/security cam footage of it if it happened. If it were to happen, ICP wouldn't just run off like Em claimed either lol. Weird thing to make up.

I don't remember it in difficult, but I know he had some paintball scene in 8 mile. I'd be curious to hear his version of it if so...

 

Dec 8, 2016

Their career wasn't affected in a negative way due to the beef at all lol.. People didn't take ICP seriously before the beef(if they even heard of them), acting like that was an outcome of the Em beef? You know nothing about their rep then lol.

Also you really thought the blow up dolls thing was savage?

*edit* looking over it again, almost nothing you said in your post is true..You act like Em blew up cuz he 'killed ICP' and ICP died for that same reason, neither of those are even remotely true. Also D12 didn't drive Em into this beef.

 

Dec 8, 2016

Just being ICP is a major L on its own

Em won