Jan 5, 2015 The Eminem Show was great when I was 14, but now it just sounds angtsy, whiny, and melodramatic. I think it's where his most embarrassing artistic qualities first surface. His edgy content was only controversial to suburban kids and their parents and lose their effect as soon as you hit puberty. Here they devolve further into cartoonist scribbles. Then it's just lyrical 4Chan without a point. I used to champion the earnest expressions and vulnerability, but I feel like that was from an immature perspective. The fact that I could comprehend it then kind of proves how juvenile it is now. Not a bad album, but I find myself appreciating less of it than before. Whereas I used to echo the sentiment that his first 3 records where impressive, I can't say that anymore. @ImmortalTechnique 's point about pop culture is very poignant.
Jan 5, 2015 They've aged horribly for me. I use to be able to throw on something from any one of his albums and be cool with it, but anymore, unless it's like 1 or 2 specific tracks from MMLP, I get tired of hearing it after about 30 seconds and turn it to something else, ANYTHING else.
Jan 5, 2015 I'm not even a big Eminem fan, but you're missing the point. Eminems whole thing was like "f--- it" and he made cringey s--- that he liked, and it's some of the closest lyrics-wise rap has come to punk. I personally don't f--- with Em too much, but I'm a Tyler fan so I see the appeal of Em. Why u keep b8ing tho @CharlieWork
Jan 5, 2015 Hailie's Song, Say Goodbye to Hollywood, Square Dance, My Dad's Gone Crazy... Very punk rock. Stop retconning his discography. He definitely wasn't being intentionally cringeworthy like he was on something like Fack. Besides that, this is a thread about your personal reception and how it's changed. Sorry if my post made you feel the need to get defensive.
Jan 5, 2015 n----- I didn't say he was intentionally being cringeworthy I said he made s--- he liked, it ended up being cringe and he was like "f--- it" Making the music that you want to no matter what people say and not giving a f--- afterwards is pretty much the soul of punk my dude
Jan 5, 2015 Punk rock was defined by aggression, anarchism and rebellion, not saccharine ballads to your daughter and overly confessional diary entries. Punk was actually a response to sentimental bs.
Jan 5, 2015 the pop culture references are some of the biggest problems with how the first three albums have aged. Since I was in high school through his early run, graduating around the time Eminem Show came out, they're still somewhat understandable to me, but obviously dated. I think they would make the albums a lot less accessible to newer fans, though. The skits, as well, were not great at the time and are a lot worse now. Anyone who still listens to a fake Ken Kaniff and ICP blo-jo- today has something wrong with them, and it was a bad idea to put that on an album. that said, I can enjoy SSLP and MMLP pretty much cover to cover (skipping only skits) and probably rap every lyric while doing it. I can do d--- near the same thing with Eminem Show, but there are a couple of tracks I might skip depending on my mood. So I think the albums have aged well in the sense that folks like me who are occasionally prone to nostalgia can reach back and enjoy them a great deal, but they've aged poorly in the sense that pop culture references and some poor artistic choices make them less accessible and relevant to a younger or newer fan.
Jan 5, 2015 You can't just marginalize punk like that though, there's SO many facets to it, and I wasn't saying it had the exact same characteristics of punk I'm saying it had that f--- it attitude that drove some punk bands. It's pointless to get hung up on the nuances of the genre in relation to what I said.
Jan 5, 2015 Idk @CharlieWork I feel like you're doing what people too often do which is project their younger selves into the things they've gotten over Basically it's like" I was a juvenile fuckwit when I was a kid, and I liked Eminem. I don't like him as much now, therefore HE'S a juvenile fuckwit too! " when in all reality his s--- is childish but not in the way you make it out to be
Jan 5, 2015 You brought up the genre and mischaracterized it to fit your argument. Sure, punk would be the countermovement to political correctness, but that's a comparison better fit for his first two albums. This one is not. Now you're getting desperate. I appreciate the Beastie Boys, Nas, Mobb Deep, Run DMC, Wu-Tang etc even more now.
Jan 5, 2015 Bruh I'm just trying to have a conversation you're the one on a crusade to point out Eminems every little flaw. Anyways I was just making a comparison not saying they're the exact same f---ing thing ofc Eminem doesn't have all the same attributes as punk rock I'm not dense I'm just saying it sounds like you're missing the point, his cringey s--- should be taken with a grain of salt
Jan 5, 2015 Nope. What @CharlieWork is saying is what countless critics have said. And lots of non-casual rap fans feel the same way js
Jan 5, 2015 A crusade is a medieval military expedition. What does that have to do with anything? Why don't you try answering the OP instead of going on a crusade to tear down my opinions. The ones I've fleshed out and readily stand by. How do you feel they've aged?
Jan 5, 2015 Not surprising the guy too dense to get that Eminem isn't trying to spit philosophy is too dense to realize I was using crusade as a metaphor I already addressed your points, Eminem wasn't tryna be on some next-level content he liked his s--- and he doesn't need to prove himself to assholes who grew out of his music
Jan 5, 2015 Okay, let's forget the fact that you are a poor Eminem hater attention whor- which tries to get angry to not only the Stans of S80 but also to the fans of Em's prime. Ok? Let's see: This is your opinion, a completely stupid opinion but your opinion, so i give you a pass. First of all, TES was not the album that cause controversy, MMLP and SSLP where those records. Second, if you know how the society works in that moment, you would know that not only suburban kids and their parents reacted to the controversy. A lot of people, including politics, catholics, regular people, musicians, etc where also criticizing Eminem's music. I never see in my life such a sentence like "lyrical 4Chan without a point" and i don't have no idea of what the f--- are you talking about. Don't try to use stupid Internet references to make valid a point that doesn't even have sent. TES is personal, not melodramatic. You don't even know what melodramatic means for what i see. Eminem is a person that count a lot of things in TES, but never in a corny way. I don't know which is your definition of "impressive" but they where in their time innovatives and different. And that's a fact. Just because you don't feel the impact doesn't mean those albums didn't cause a lot of things to speak in the world. Since you made a thread making indirects about me (And later, of course, edited the post so you don't look like a fa---- anymore) i see you in the page as a lame troll which wastes his time saying s--- about Eminem and posting gifs as answers to increase his self-steem. Out.
Jan 5, 2015 @FriedSchizophrenic How do you feel they've aged? This isn't a thread for you to be obsessed with me. Same to @Skippy
